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Michael Bise Member |
posted January 21, 2003 03:03 PM
  
quote: Bob has already replied on this very thread: "NO". ------------------ Michael IP: Logged |
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Marty Raap Member |
posted January 21, 2003 03:50 PM
Mr. Greenberger -- I was very pleased to see the inclusion of Karate Kid #1 in Legion #12. I think the Archives should strive for completeness and should include all spin-off material and material from locations outside the main title when such material comes up chronologically. Can we now assume that the rest of the KK series will be included in future Legion Archive volumes? IP: Logged |
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Michael Bise Member |
posted January 21, 2003 03:56 PM
Please, NO!! ------------------ Michael IP: Logged |
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dylanfan Member |
posted January 21, 2003 04:33 PM
And that perfectly encapsulates the Legion/KK debate, I think.  ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Michael Bise Member |
posted January 21, 2003 04:43 PM
I'll go on record that LEGION #12 is my LAST LEGION ARCHIVE if any more KK issues are included besides #1. I'd love to get the Starlin/Sherman/Levitz material in Archive, but once the whole of the KK series shows up, I'm outta here permanently. ------------------ Michael IP: Logged |
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Steven Utley Member |
posted January 21, 2003 04:53 PM
Inasmuch as I am at this time entirely unexposed to KARATE KID # 1 or # anything else, I don't know whether I ought to share in the glee of those who clearly are glad or the dismay of those clearly are horrified that the material will appear in THE LEGION OF SUPER-HERO ARCHIVES Vol. 12. Would one partisan from each group please attempt to enlighten me? IP: Logged |
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Owen Cardiff Darcy Member |
posted January 21, 2003 04:57 PM
quote: http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/files/Forum21/HTML/001234.html IP: Logged |
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James Friel Member |
posted January 21, 2003 05:52 PM
I'm a luke warm member of the middle camp: include material from only those issues in which Legionaires other than KK play an important part. Karate Kid was, as I remember it (I'm sure I never read any issue more than once, and that cursorily) a comic by which the term "mediocre" could be perfectly illustrated. I don't remember any of the creative personnel other than Jack Abel, wh made everyone look as stiff as he usually does. The overall premise of the book is that KK is stranded in the 20th Century. So it's only peripherally LSH-related at best. It was a shameless attempt to take advantage of the kung-fu craze, and succeeded at that even less well, it seems to me, than did Richard Dragon, Kung Fu Fighter. So the question here is dilution of the LSH Archives vs. completeness: If KK is totally included, archive buyers will be paying hardcover prices for volumes which are half material they may not want. If it's omitted entirely, completists will be offended. IP: Logged |
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vze2 Member |
posted January 21, 2003 06:02 PM
As with the B&B teamups and Bat Lash, I'm only missing 1 issue of Rima. Once I find it, I'll be sure to let you know so that you can schedule the TPB. IP: Logged |
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James Friel Member |
posted January 21, 2003 06:08 PM
Rima was very pretty stuff. Isn't she a licenced property though, Bob? IP: Logged |
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outpost2 Member |
posted January 21, 2003 06:21 PM
In the beginning, I was all for including the Karate Kid appearances, but have since changed my mind. Those stories were pretty lame. Personally, I would select only KK #1 in Volume 12, KK #4,9-10 in Volume 13, and KK #12-13 in Volume 14. KK #4 and #12-13 are borderline selections, #9-10 are musts (they tie in with Superboy #231). See http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/files/Forum21/HTML/001593.html for more. IP: Logged |
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James Friel Member |
posted January 21, 2003 06:25 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bob Greenberger: Blackhawk Giant? Good idea. Steven Utley keeps asking for a Quality Giant so this fits the bill, to a degree. I'd prefer a big Golden Age Quality anthology Giant, but I'll take what I can get. Given the discussion around here, I need to take a second look at the Waid and early Johns Flash stuff. Should something change, you guys will be the first to know. For what it's worth, I haven't read any of that uncollected stuff--I don't look at the Flash monthly--but I might well pick up trades if they are done. I find it hard to find a useful demarcation point between the GA WW and the SA WW. One could argue that when Wonder Girl and Wonder Tot start appearing alongside the Princess we have jumped eras. But that's a tough one. Right now we're not even discussing the option. It wouldn't be a particular priority for me, but it seems to me that if a SA Wonder Woman series is ever contemplated, it should begin at the point where Andru/Esposito take over the art. The whole look of the book changes there, more dramatically than ever before or until Sekowsky takes over. And for perhaps a couple of volumes worth of material, it isn't a really bad comic--then the incidence of Wonder Girls, Wonder Tots, Bird Boys, etc., gets heavy.... We'd love to do more westerns and we just might. Johnny Thunder,please. Toth. Kane. No-brainer. Well, had YJ stayed around, we might have looked to collect the recent story that ended with #51 or so, leapfrogging from the beginning. It's great stuff and will be fondly remembered. See what I said about your remarks concerning The Flash, above. I really think you need to re-think this notion that there has to be any marketing link between a monthly and a trade. As for bringing back the Greatest Stories Ever Told, well, we're approaching those eras differently these days. The main reason is that the bookstore buyers say the majority of their customers prefer getting a big story, not an anthology.... One Big Story isn't really available in older reprints. How about all one character? Greatest Aquaman, Greatest Wonder Woman, Greatest Green Lantern? That's not MY favorite approach, even to archives (I always wanted the anthology titles done as anthologies), but it's better than no collections at all. IP: Logged |
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outpost2 Member |
posted January 21, 2003 06:45 PM
quote: Rima first appeared in GREEN MANSIONS: A ROMANCE OF THE TROPICAL FOREST (W.H. Hudson, 1904). The copyright, including renewel, would have run out in 1960. She would have already been in the Public Domain when the later copyright extensions were passed. If that's correct, then DC could reprint it's comic book stories without paying royalties. I think. IP: Logged |
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casselmm47 Member |
posted January 21, 2003 06:50 PM
quote: Since the Superboy 80 Pager was kind of a sampler for the first Legion Archives, maybe they could reissue the JLofA 80 Page Giant that reprinted the induction of Atom, Green Arrow and Hawkman (JLA #67, G-53, reprints of JLA #'s 4, 14 and 31...quite a wide cross-section from three different JLA Archive editions, and a great Neal Adams cover!). Atom seems to be getting face-time over in JLA and Hawkman these days, and Hawkman and GA are still relatively 'hot new(er) series'... plenty of crossover appeal! Cass IP: Logged |
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Marty Raap Member |
posted January 21, 2003 07:09 PM
I think James summed up the KK/Legion issue pretty well. I'll try to be limited in my comments, as I don't want to reopen the whole debate again, particularly on this thread. But as a general matter, touching here on KK/Legion specifically, I'd always rather see the Archives err on the side of inclusion rather than exclusion. If something is excluded, those who want to see it are left out, perhaps forever. If something is included, people who dislike it (like Michael with KK, apparently) can always decide not to purchase it, but at least they have a choice. For what it's worth, my guess is that few people who would otherwise buy a Legion Archive #13, say, would not buy it if KK is included. So inclusion seems best to me. I particularly dislike the notion that Archives should be planned around what someone deems good, bad, or mediocre material. That's all in the eye of the beholder and the beauty of the Archive program is that it strives to include everything and let us all make up our own minds. Some of that judging process is unavoidable, of course (such as in the decision-making process in regard to which titles to start Archiving), but once an Archive series is up and running it should reprint everything as it comes along and not be subject to exclusion at someone's whim. One man's trash is another's treasure, and tastes change with time. The Archive program is theoretically intended, at least in part, to preserve this material forever as an historical record. KK illustrates this -- even if it ain't the best comics ever, it illustrates its era, both in real life and comics, and, most importantly, has significant ties to the core title being Archived. That's why I'd include KK, and that's the type of thinking I'd apply to any related question in the future. IP: Logged |
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James Friel Member |
posted January 21, 2003 07:14 PM
quote: Of course. My brain went "Novel. Licensed.", without passing through "Public Domain?" IP: Logged |
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Mark Billian New Member |
posted January 21, 2003 07:17 PM
quote: I'd love to see more western material as well. I would echo the chorus of others here that However, I've also been thinking that an 80 Page Giant would be a nice starting point. Certainly, Johnny Thunder would be the star (love to see all three stories featuring Madame .44 from the end of All Star Western included), but you would also have plenty of room to include a Nighthawk or Matt Savage story (some great Kane art of some of those as well), plus Trigger Twins or Pow Wow Smith (with their great Infantino art). Please try to avoid selecting material that has already been reprinted if at all possible though. IP: Logged |
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NecessaryImpurity Member |
posted January 21, 2003 07:27 PM
Nighthawk may work better right now, since he got a boost from the recent Hawkman tie-in. IP: Logged |
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Pig Iron Member |
posted January 21, 2003 08:30 PM
I would buy 2 volumes of Rima aswell. In fact any Redondo collection. The Old Testament treasury he did was the most gorgeous book I've ever seen.... IP: Logged |
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James Friel Member |
posted January 21, 2003 08:34 PM
quote: Ideally, I'd prefer to see All-American Western, All-Star Western, and Western Comics all done as anthology archives. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Michael Bise Member |
posted January 21, 2003 08:53 PM
quote: I would LOVE this!!!!!!!! That cover is one of my favourites, and the issue was one of my first back issues... ------------------ Michael IP: Logged |
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Michael Bise Member |
posted January 21, 2003 09:06 PM
quote: My offense isn't to the quality of the material. It's just that it ISN'T THE LEGION! A handful of issues, okay! But some non-related kung-fu kraze issues slapped in-between great LSH stories? NO WAY! It's NOT the LSH, even if it is one of their members stranded in the 20th Century. When JLI gets its Archives, do the short-lived BLUE BEETLE & HUNTRESS series get sequenced in? Does the much hated JMD MARTIAN MANHUNTER mini get sequenced into the JLI Archives? ------------------ Michael IP: Logged |
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FOG Member |
posted January 21, 2003 09:52 PM
Bob, this isn't a question as much as it is a plea: If I understood some of your other statements correctly, I shouldn't be looking for a second volume of Jay Garrick any time in 2003. I'm sure you realize this, but that means a bare minimum of 4 1/2 YEARS inbetween editions! I've just got to say it - that's like the kiss of death to an line, IMHO. You've said that it is the intention to continue a line once it starts, but it seems like the GA Flash material has been judged and hung out to dry after only one Archive. PLEASE put it on the table for 2004. If it can't make it then, you might as well just tell us it's over for good. Gary "sorry if I sound bitter, but I just think that's too long inbetween archives for something to survive" O. IP: Logged |
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Old Dude Member |
posted January 21, 2003 10:28 PM
quote: SHRIEEEEEK! IP: Logged |
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SIMPS! Member |
posted January 21, 2003 10:36 PM
Hey Bob, I see we've got a Batman: Hush hardcover coming in April of the first 5 issues of Loeb/Lee/Williams' run. Couple of questions about that then: 1. Am I to assume that the next 7 will be in another? Will that be Batman: Hush, Vol. 2? 2. Will this volume get a new cover? 3. What was the reasoning behind this quick HC, rather than waiting until thte entire storyline is over, like the Quiver HC last year? I'm guessing the huge demand because this book has been rocking. Thanks? IP: Logged |
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