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James Friel
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posted December 31, 2002 05:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Owen Cardiff Darcy:
I couldn't find the thread -- everything prior to Oct. 19th has been deleted -- but it was 22 volumes (and for what it's worth, DC has at least one customer who would buy every one).

Does this mean you don't keep copies of all that incredible work you did, Owen?

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quincyjb
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posted December 31, 2002 06:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for quincyjb   Click Here to Email quincyjb        Reply w/Quote

Just a quick "Thank you" to Bob and the other folks who put such great amounts of thought and work into the archive series. I'm looking forward to what they have planned for 2003. Happy new year!

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Owen Cardiff Darcy
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posted December 31, 2002 06:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Owen Cardiff Darcy        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by James Friel:
Does this mean you don't keep copies of all that incredible work you did, Owen?

Of course I keep copies. I can re-post the Silver Age Superman map if someone wants to see it again.

"Incredible"? Now I'm blushing.

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Peter Svensson
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posted December 31, 2002 07:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peter Svensson   Click Here to Email Peter Svensson        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by dylanfan:
BTW- Bob, do you think there is any chance in Hades that the plan hypothesized by Joe Q on his message board to bring all remaining volumes of the original 32 Masterworks back to print at the same time is possible? I sure hope it is, but I also hope that if it happens, there's some quality control, too.


Tom Brevoort has recently posted on usenet and other online sources that Marvel is committed to putting the original set of Masterworks back into print before making new ones.

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Peter Svensson
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posted December 31, 2002 07:35 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Peter Svensson   Click Here to Email Peter Svensson        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by dnewton:
Bob -
I've got a question about the 2nd Jimenez trade Paradise Lost:
Was the dialogue in Gods of Gotham pt 1 the same as the original issue (164) or not?

I've talked to Phil Jimenez at a con, and he said that he went back and did some corrections/changes to the scripting for the TPB.

So it wasn't. I'm guessing that is a good incentive for those who bought the original issues to buy the TPB...

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dylanfan
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posted December 31, 2002 09:24 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dylanfan   Click Here to Email dylanfan        Reply w/Quote
Right, but I'm asking specifically about the plan to bring all 32 volumes to market in the first quarter of 2003. I wonder if Bob has any thoughts on that scheme that he can share with us.

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dadkrel
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posted January 01, 2003 09:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dadkrel   Click Here to Email dadkrel        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by James Friel:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bob Greenberger:
[b]All-Star from the '70s (including Huntress stories and Power Girl in Showcase) has come up a lot. No decision has been made but the demand has been noted.

Originally posted by James Friel:[B]

Personally, I think the inclusion of any of the Huntress or PG solo material (except perhaps the Huntress origin story) would dilute the collections to the point that I might consider simply making do with the original comics, which I still own. Put me down as a vote against.


I cannot imagine why, Mr. James Friel, would vote against, as he says. Of course, he is entitled to his opinion.

POWER GIRL is, without a doubt, the star of the ALL STAR series (beginning with Vol. 1, #58). Gerry Conway, who created Power Girl, gave the Earth 2 Superman of the Golden Age the special treatment, but Power Girl stood out like a beautiful thumb.

I would gladly replace my All Star series (which I have in library binding) for a new volume (hopefully bound) on good paper. The paper enhances the artwork and color of the comic book.

I appreciate quality paper, because my eyesight is not the same as it used to be. I must presume that Mr. James Friel is younger than I!!!

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BillNolan
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posted January 01, 2003 01:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BillNolan   Click Here to Email BillNolan        Reply w/Quote
Bob,

Has any consideration been given to a second Absolute Authority HC? I sold my original issues when the first HC came out, and I want to get the rest of the series in the same format. If I go with the tpbs for the rest of the material, there is an annoying overlap since one tpb contains the last Ellis arc and the first Millar arc.

Thanks,
- Bill Nolan

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dadkrel
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posted January 01, 2003 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dadkrel   Click Here to Email dadkrel        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by outpost2:
Captain Marvel is a Fawcett character, not Quality. However, I'd love to see a more frequent 'Shazam family' schedule. At the rate we're going, we'll never see the Marvel Family stories, CM Jr., Mary, or Hoppy!

Well said, outpost2!!!!

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Osgood Peabody
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posted January 01, 2003 09:00 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Osgood Peabody        Reply w/Quote
Hey, Bob - one thing I'm curious about is how the Brave and the Bold team-ups (issues 50 and up) could eventually be Archived. One obvious way to go would be to scoop up all the Batman team-ups into another Silver Age Batman series, but then where would it leave the dozen or so non-Batman team-ups?

In the past, I'd thought it would be great to collect all of these team-ups together in one series. On the other hand, there are some team-ups that could be argued otherwise - Robin/Kid Flash/Aqualad being a perfect lead-in to a Teen Titans collection, or the Flash/Doom Patrol going into a Doom Patrol Archive, with the antagonists being the DP foes the Brotherhood of Evil, Gen'l Immortus, etc. And the 2 Aquaman team-ups (Aquaman/Hawkman and Aquaman/Atom) would map neatly into his series, with both stories centering on Atlantis.

Then again, the drawback with parcelling out these stories is it leaves such team-ups as Green Arrow/Martian Manhunter homeless indefinitely.

A bit of a quandary - what do you guys think?

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gmp
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posted January 02, 2003 12:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for gmp        Reply w/Quote
Posted by Bob Greenbeger:
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To me, the only really nice work in SEA DEVILS were the covers. They are not high on anyone's list for Archive treatment.
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While I very much appreciate Bob's response to my question, I have to admit it has me scratching my head a little bit. Russ Heath, (who was responsible for the covers and the interior art of SEA DEVILS 1-10, and their 3 Showcase issues), is considered by many to be one of DC's greatest Silver Age artists. His work on that series is also considered by many to be a high point of his career.
I bring this up, not as a disgruntled Archive fan, because I very much appreciate and support both the Archives, and Bob's generous nature in regards to the boards. Rather, I just felt that as a fan, I wanted to stick up for an artist who brought myself and countless others a great amount of joy.
Glenn

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James Friel
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posted January 02, 2003 03:36 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by dadkrel:
POWER GIRL is, without a doubt, the star of the ALL STAR series (beginning with Vol. 1, #58...

I never saw it that way. I considered All-Star to be the JSA's book, and it's the JSA focus that interests me, which is why I think that the solo Huntress and Power Girl material would dilute and interrupt the content.

I would gladly replace my All Star series...for a new volume ...[/QUOTE]

I'm with you there 100%. I think All-Star ought to be one of the first 1970s titles archived.

I appreciate quality paper, because my eyesight is not the same as it used to be. I must presume that Mr. James Friel is younger than I!!!

[/QUOTE]Dunno about that, dadkrel. I turn 57 in March. And I need new bifocals.
Seriously, I like good paper stock, too, though I always prefer a matte finish, and would take a matte paper of lesser quality over a high-quality glossy or coated stock on almost any occasion.

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dadkrel
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posted January 02, 2003 06:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for dadkrel   Click Here to Email dadkrel        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by James Friel:
I'm with you there 100%. I think All-Star ought to be one of the first 1970s titles archived.

[b]I appreciate quality paper, because my eyesight is not the same as it used to be. I must presume that Mr. James Friel is younger than I!!!


Dunno about that, dadkrel. I turn 57 in March. And I need new bifocals.
Seriously, I like good paper stock, too, though I always prefer a matte finish, and would take a matte paper of lesser quality over a high-quality glossy or coated stock on almost any occasion.[/B][/QUOTE]

What turned me on to this particular ALL STAR series is that Gerry Conway was the first to show repect for the elderly Golden Age super heroes of Earth 2 -- and, especially, Siegel & Shuster's Superman.

Power Girl was so much like the original Superman (obviously leaping instead of flying) that I couldn't help but like her -- but Wally Wood derserves some thanks also. And in as much as she was Gerry Conway's creation, she was constantly stirring some humorous excitment among the JSA members.

As for my age, i'll be seventy seven on April 29th.

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stoter1
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posted January 02, 2003 09:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stoter1        Reply w/Quote
Bob, a minor point that I'd like you to address. While you have said that the paper quality of ythe arcjives has remained consistent, I have noticed, that the very first page of each archive..not the first story page, but the first page, whcih is often a bright color, like green for inatnce in GL, is not as nice as it used to be. For instance, take a look at GL #1. The green papaer is not only very thick, but textured and with a design. Now look at GL #4, the green first page is still green but it no longer has any tecture or design. The same is true in Flash. Are the non textured pages less expensive? Also, what do you consider to be a sufficient archive length? The archives used to be 240 pages plus. Then they hovered arou d 224. Now there have been seceral at 208 or so. I have no major complaints with the archive line except the diminishing page count. Tor for instnace was very skimpy when it came to page number. While I thoroughly enjoyed Tor, there were not enough pages, in my opinion, to warrant the price. Thanks as always Bob.

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BillNolan
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posted January 02, 2003 10:39 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for BillNolan   Click Here to Email BillNolan        Reply w/Quote
Not to sound too obsessive-compulsive, but I have also noticed what stoter1 is pointing out about the end papers. They used to be fingerprint-resistent, now I have to avoid touching them or they get all smudged up. But, then again, my fingerprints have been known to destroy/smear many a comic book cover.

- Bill

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stoter1
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posted January 02, 2003 11:28 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for stoter1        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by BillNolan:
Not to sound too obsessive-compulsive, but I have also noticed what stoter1 is pointing out about the end papers. They used to be fingerprint-resistent, now I have to avoid touching them or they get all smudged up. But, then again, my fingerprints have been known to destroy/smear many a comic book cover.

- Bill



since you mentioned smearing, I have noticed that a few of the newer archives have had a lot of smudging. This happened in the most recent WW archive. One of the pages had a lot of the ink smudged. Anyone else have this pr is it just my copy? I thought it might be due to the original copy that was used.

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posted January 02, 2003 12:59 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unknown Question        Reply w/Quote
How much cross printing of material will there be, is a good question? I dont wont to see some stories printed twice or more, just because its a team-up issue. While certain issues have merit, example #54 to go into a Teen Titans or other Archives, wouldnt it be better to have a B&B Team-Up archive(s), rather than a Batman only one, and feature all teamup issues so you could fit the other issues like the GA/MMH issues into that? So if you start with issue #50, Bats only appears in #59 then next #64, even if you dont count the Metamorpho issues #57&58, you wouldnt get to see much Bats in the 1st volume would you?

I remember the Best of B&B 6 issue mini they did in 1988.


quote:
Originally posted by Osgood Peabody:
Hey, Bob - one thing I'm curious about is how the Brave and the Bold team-ups (issues 50 and up) could eventually be Archived. One obvious way to go would be to scoop up all the Batman team-ups into another Silver Age Batman series, but then where would it leave the dozen or so non-Batman team-ups?

In the past, I'd thought it would be great to collect all of these team-ups together in one series. On the other hand, there are some team-ups that could be argued otherwise - Robin/Kid Flash/Aqualad being a perfect lead-in to a Teen Titans collection, or the Flash/Doom Patrol going into a Doom Patrol Archive, with the antagonists being the DP foes the Brotherhood of Evil, Gen'l Immortus, etc. And the 2 Aquaman team-ups (Aquaman/Hawkman and Aquaman/Atom) would map neatly into his series, with both stories centering on Atlantis.

Then again, the drawback with parcelling out these stories is it leaves such team-ups as Green Arrow/Martian Manhunter homeless indefinitely.

A bit of a quandary - what do you guys think?


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dadkrel
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posted January 02, 2003 02:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dadkrel   Click Here to Email dadkrel        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by outpost2:
Not enough Power Girl material for a separate archive, so I hope they include the Showcase issues with the JSA stories.

POWER GIRL:

Adventure Comics #461-466 (in JSA tales)
All-Star Comics #58 (1st app, in JSA tale), #59-74 (in JSA tales)
DC Comics Presents #56
Showcase #97-99

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The Huntress tales would fill two volumes of her own. I would therefore only include her origin from DC Super-Stars #17 in the JSA archives.

THE HUNTRESS:

Adventure Comics #461-466 (in JSA tales)
All-Star Comics #69-74 (in JSA tales)
Batman Family #17 (w/Batgirl), #18-20
The Brave And The Bold #184 (w/Batman)
DC Super-Stars #17 (1st app, w/All-Star #69)
Wonder Woman v1 #271-287,289-290 (solo back-up tales), #291-293 (in Wonder Woman tales), #294-299,301-321 (solo back-up tales)

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Thanks, Mr. outpost2. POWER GIRL & THE HUNTRESS deserve a place in the Earth 2 ALL STAR Archives.

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superboy1988-92
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posted January 02, 2003 06:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for superboy1988-92   Click Here to Email superboy1988-92        Reply w/Quote
To Bob Greenberger,
Does DC Comics have any plans to publish more Shazam! Archives? I know volume 3 just came out recently, but I find that DC has been extremely slow with regards on reprinting the classic early adventures of the original Captain Marvel.

The history for the Shazam! Archives is this: Volume 1 came out back in 1992, volume 2 came out in 1999 (along with a second printing of volume 1 after it was long out-of-print at that time), and volume 3 comes out towards the end of 2002. Three Shazam! volumes in a 10 year span is just way too slow in my opinion. DC doesn't seem to treat Captain Marvel with greater attention.

I know Cap is not as strong in terms of popularity today, compared to the 1940s, and I know that sales are the prime issue for any Archive series, but Captain Marvel was one of the biggest gems of the Golden Age of comic books, and I think DC should at least give Cap his due on reprinting more Archive volumes. With the recent announcement for a Shazam! movie by New Line Cinema, will DC be doing more Cap reprints soon?

Also, are there any plans to collect the early stories of the other Marvel Family members Captain Marvel Jr. and Mary Marvel? And are there any plans by DC to also start reprinting the other Fawcett characters into Archives?

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dadkrel
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posted January 02, 2003 08:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dadkrel   Click Here to Email dadkrel        Reply w/Quote
Good questions, Mr.superboy1988-92.

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Unknown Question
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posted January 02, 2003 08:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Unknown Question        Reply w/Quote
Its such a long thread to cover and I cant remember but what were the plans for more 80 pager annuals / facsimile reprints?

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dadkrel
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posted January 02, 2003 08:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for dadkrel   Click Here to Email dadkrel        Reply w/Quote
Mr. Owen Cardiff Darcy has proposed a list of Power Girl adventures. My question, Mr. Bob Greenberger, is his list (below) what you had in mind for Power Girl???

POWER GIRL (187 pages; 192 total)
Written by Paul Levitz, and Paul Kupperberg; art by Joe Staton, Curt Swan, Mary Wilshire, Rick Hoberg, and various

Showcase #97 2/78
"Power Girl" (17 pages + cover)

Showcase #98 3/78
"When the Symbioship Strikes" (17 pages + cover)

Showcase #99 4/78
"The Crater that Was Keystone City" (17 pages + cover)

DC Comics Presents #56 4/83
"Death in a Dark Dimension!" (23 pages + cover)

Secret Origins #11 2/87
"Ancient Histories" (16 pages + cover)

Power Girl #1 6/88
"Threads!" (22 pages + cover)

Power Girl #2 7/88
"Tapestry" (22 pages + cover)

Power Girl #3 8/88
"Heritage" (22 pages + cover)

Power Girl #4 9/88
"Destiny" (22 pages + cover)

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Mike Falcon
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posted January 03, 2003 12:32 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Falcon   Click Here to Email Mike Falcon        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Bgztl:
You may have tribute.

Even kudos.

For concubines you're on your own.

One tiny suggestion:

Do NOT go down to the local singles bar and state that you have the longest single thread on the DC Universe Archives message board.

This will not only fail to get you concubines (I've tried!) but it is a real buzzkill for the serious drinkers (What I became after my concubinage plan fell apart).

Good luck, Mike!!


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P.S.

And thanks for the thread. It's one of my favorite comics spots these days.


Thanks for the cool response! Here's a story from American history:

Alexander Hamilton (our 1st Sectratary of the Treasury) had set aside some funds for the expenses of some visiting foreign dignitaries. Among these expenses where room and board for the concubines of the vistors. When Thomas Jefferson asked what this was about Hamilton repilied "necessary expenses for foreign intercourse".

Our Founding Fathers ROCKED!

Questions for Bob:

Was "Unknown Soldier" ever considered for an Archive? If you are going to continue with War Archives will you get to this series?

How about a Tomahawk Archive?

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James Friel
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posted January 03, 2003 03:37 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Mike Falcon:
Thanks for the cool response! Here's a story from American history:

Alexander Hamilton (our 1st Sectratary of the Treasury) had set aside some funds for the expenses of some visiting foreign dignitaries. Among these expenses where room and board for the concubines of the vistors. When Thomas Jefferson asked what this was about Hamilton repilied "necessary expenses for foreign intercourse".

Our Founding Fathers ROCKED!



Sounds more like a line Burr would have come up with.
I dearly love the memory of Tom Jefferson, but somehow I suspect he may have missed the humor (not that he was either an innocent or a prude, just very earnest....)

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datalore
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posted January 03, 2003 08:48 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for datalore        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Osgood Peabody:
Hey, Bob - one thing I'm curious about is how the Brave and the Bold team-ups (issues 50 and up) could eventually be Archived. One obvious way to go would be to scoop up all the Batman team-ups into another Silver Age Batman series, but then where would it leave the dozen or so non-Batman team-ups?

In the past, I'd thought it would be great to collect all of these team-ups together in one series. On the other hand, there are some team-ups that could be argued otherwise - Robin/Kid Flash/Aqualad being a perfect lead-in to a Teen Titans collection, or the Flash/Doom Patrol going into a Doom Patrol Archive, with the antagonists being the DP foes the Brotherhood of Evil, Gen'l Immortus, etc. And the 2 Aquaman team-ups (Aquaman/Hawkman and Aquaman/Atom) would map neatly into his series, with both stories centering on Atlantis.

Then again, the drawback with parcelling out these stories is it leaves such team-ups as Green Arrow/Martian Manhunter homeless indefinitely.

A bit of a quandary - what do you guys think?


I'm for starting the B&B team-ups with 50 (and 57 & 58 can be skipped...)

I think the Robin/Aqualad/Kid Flash issue SHOULD be included (since, while it would ALSO most likely lead off a Teen Titans Archive, it doesn't seem like a Silver Age Teen Titans Archive is coming anytime soon...)

Now, I think the first B&B team Archive would look like:

50 - Green Arrow & Martian Manhunter
51 - Aquaman & Hawkman
52 - Sgt. Rock and others
53 - Flash & Atom
54 - Robin/Aqualad/Kid Flash
55 - Atom & The Metal Men
56 - Flash & the Martian Manhunter
59 - Batman & Green Lantern

...now, true, we'd only have one Batman team-up in this, but he's also slightly in 54, and with J'onn, Barry, Hal, Ray, Arthur, Carter and Bruce...this could almost be advertised as a pseudo-JLA volume (and, for that matter, with Speedy in 50, Aqualad in 51 & 54 and the whole of 54...you could ALSO appeal to Teen Titans fans...as for the WWII tale...hey, gives that stuff a little extra exposure as well!)

(and, even if this isn't quite the successful Archive experiment...using the excuse that the next one would pretty much be at least half Batman team-ups would insure even IF this was a failure, you'd still have an audience...)

True, I'm not 100% sure where you'd START that second volume (60 IS the Teen Titans, 61 & 62 are already in Black Canary's archive...but hey, I'd ALSO like to find some way to sneak in the Suicide Squad's six B&B appearances - half of them PRE-JLA!)

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