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Kamandi2 Member |
posted July 23, 2002 04:40 PM
  
My 2 cents. I'd like to see the series included. My preference would be to do a single Karate Kid Archive. Put all 289 pages in a single thicker archive. The price point could still probably remain the same because with this being newer material there will probably not be as much setup cost to do the reprints. If not a Karate Kid Archive then I would definitely like to see the series intermixed with the Superboy issues. IP: Logged |
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NecessaryImpurity Member |
posted July 23, 2002 04:42 PM
Oh, and I vote for Outpost's Option 2 (or something very close) IP: Logged |
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dylanfan Member |
posted July 23, 2002 04:50 PM
I agree, I would love to see a KK Archives, a big fat 289 pages worth! I wonder if DC would run into trouble, though. If this book gets 289 pages, then it would logically follow that all books of this era should be that big. Fans might start demanding greater page counts for all books...it's slippery slope territory. DC has established what consumers can expect for their bucks, and something that expands those expectations might not be worth it to them. Even if it is a concession to an otherwise ornery continuity issue. I would expect to see KK assimilated into the Legion Archives somehow, as its own individual Archive seems a bit too unwieldy with that page count. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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kcekada Member |
posted July 23, 2002 04:50 PM
I don't think a Karate Kid Archive is realistic. So if the stories don't appear in LSH, it's doubtful they'll ever be archived. KC IP: Logged |
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icouldbe New Member |
posted July 23, 2002 05:01 PM
I would vote for option 2. Spread the KK issues over 3 or 4 archives and include the Kamandi issue. Also run the KK issues in a row for each volume for ease of reading. IP: Logged |
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NecessaryImpurity Member |
posted July 23, 2002 05:03 PM
Looking at the activity on this thread, can you imagine what would happen if DC asked about Aquaman?  IP: Logged |
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datalore Member |
posted July 23, 2002 05:05 PM
Aquaman...Green Arrow...adding a new archive...continuing All-Star Comics after 57...
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NecessaryImpurity Member |
posted July 23, 2002 05:19 PM
I was thinking about how there isn't much consensus on how to treat KK. We'd get that in spades for Aquaman. IP: Logged |
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India Ink Member |
posted July 23, 2002 05:21 PM
This subject was raised a while back on this forum, and at that time I said that I preferred all of KK to be reprinted in the volumes of LSH. It was a much loved series at the time when I was buying it. It doesn't seem directly related to Legion, but it has enough Legion content to be included. And I feel it motivates developments down the line in Legion. Perhaps Val's death would not have had as much significance if this series hadn't preceded those events. I think there's enough wiggle room so that the KK stories can be published as about a third of the entire contents of each volume, as they come out. Of course, sofar I've only gotten the first three volumes of Legion. While I intend to eventually buy all of them, it will be many years before I acquire volume 12. IP: Logged |
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outpost2 Member |
posted July 23, 2002 05:22 PM
Just for yucks, here is the layout of all the volumes needed to cover the entire KARATE KID series. Volumes 12 and 13 would remain as I posted previously. The two-part JLA team-up in Volume 14 totally screws up the flow of Volume 16, so the JLA issues have been removed.
SUPERBOY [first series] # 213 (Dec 1975) 12+6+cover Total pages = 227 VOLUME 13 SUPERBOY [first series] # 224 (Feb 1976) 17+cover Total pages = 228 VOLUME 14 KARATE KID # 7 (Mar-Apr 1977) 17+cover. Karate Kid battles the Gyro-Master. Total pages = 241 VOLUME 15 SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 235 (Jan 1978) 20+14+cover. Total pages = 234 VOLUME 16 SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 239 (May 1978) 34+cover. Total pages = 254 IP: Logged |
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outpost2 Member |
posted July 23, 2002 05:29 PM
Damn!!! I screwed up Volume 12 again!!!  IP: Logged |
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outpost2 Member |
posted July 23, 2002 05:51 PM
Hmmm, and I believe that the cover to SUPERBOY #238 is a double-cover, so that puts Volume 15 at 235 pages. IP: Logged |
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James Friel Member |
posted July 23, 2002 05:54 PM
Have we confused you enough yet, Bob? IP: Logged |
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Michael Bise Member |
posted July 23, 2002 06:08 PM
The JLA/JSA story from 1977 gets excised, but KK stays???? Please, NO!!! ------------------ Michael IP: Logged |
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Cave Carson Member |
posted July 23, 2002 06:14 PM
My two cents: Leave KK out. Stick to archiving the LSH title. (Including, of course, specials like the Garth-Imra wedding.) I personally don't want a big dose of the 20th century in the middle of my Legion archive IP: Logged |
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Corrosive Kid Member |
posted July 23, 2002 06:21 PM
I've been busy today, so imagine my surprise to see this thread, and the fact that it's currently up to page three. Thanks, Bob, for asking! As one of the Legion Lobbists on this board (and as the designer of the mock cover for Legion Archives 12, coming to you as a part of DStepp's survey in October), I figure that I'll throw in my opinion. What makes this even freakier for me is that I just currently finished reading the KK series for the first time, so my impressions of the series are very fresh indeed. So here's what I think: Loyalty to the Legion series cannot necessarily be extrapolated to the Karate Kid series. KK went out of its way to distance itself from the Legion, and it's really only a Legion comic by accident. It really reminded me of a seventies Spider-Man comic, only with karate (come to think of it, even Spider-Man had that back then). It was about villains-of-the-month versus a teenager with girl problems and a nosy landlord. Every so often there would be a Legion cameo, but for people who are used to getting Jim Shooter and Mike Grell and are anticipating Paul Levitz and Jim Sherman, including the KK issues isn't really going to be doing anybody any favors. So what would I do? Include number one, then see how that goes. It's written by Paul Levitz (his only issue, btw), features both the Legion and Nemesis Kid, and is a stand-alone issue. That way Legion readers are introduced to the series, and you'll hear it from them whether they think more issues should be included or not. I'm betting not, since fans of the Legion of Super-Heroes comic aren't necessarily fans of the Karate Kid comic. Plus, I'd include the cover to KK # 1 as one of the four covers on the back of the book to let everyone know that it's in there. It's by Mike Grell, so I don't see anyone complaining about that. What I would do then is collect Karate Kid in his own softcover volume. Bear with me on this. I've seen the oversized collections of Batman: The Long Halloween and others, and I think that such a collection is right up KK's alley. It could be b&w to save costs, and you could get Steve Lightle to draw an all-new cover, since KK was his favorite Legionnaire and he's still bothered by the fact that his first assignment as Legion artist was to kill him off. DC wouldn't have used him as the Flash cover artist if they didn't think that he moved copies, and he'd be happy to do it. As a matter of fact, I think that he'd be bothered if he wasn't asked. The oversized volume would then include KK #'s 1-15, Kamandi # 58 (you have to include it; KK # 15 doesn't finish up the storyline, thanks to the DC Implosion), and the Brave and the Bold # 198. I didn't see anyone mention that one before. That gives us a page count of 296, which, I admit, is large. An alternative would be to publish two softcover volumes, which would be less of a risk. If the first one sells fine, then release the second. If not, file it under "noble experiment" and move on. It should be noted, however, that taking a risk on a Legion of Super-Heroes property is less of a risk than a non-Legion property. I'm sure that you could move volumes of a softcover KK series. I'm not so sure that Legion fans would be happy to see issues of sub-standard quality mixed in with those of what was DC's best-seller at the time. The main thing is that the issues are reprinted at least once so that fans can access them; it just doesn't have to be in a high-priced hardcover. So to sum up: include #1, then adopt a wait-and-see attitude. My preference would be to release a softcover KK collection, since that would be fair to people who buy the Legion for the creative crews, not the characters. The KK series is really an acquired taste, and I can see it upsetting people if it was inserted with higher quality work. IP: Logged |
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Cave Carson Member |
posted July 23, 2002 06:27 PM
Corrosive Kid sold me. Include # 1. IP: Logged |
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Corrosive Kid Member |
posted July 23, 2002 06:28 PM
Oh, and regarding the JSA/JLA/LSH crossover: it has to be included in the Legion Archives. It's one of those things which people are waiting for, like the wedding tabloid. It's unfair to Legion fans to expect them to pick up a Justice League Archive just to get those issues. People can't assume that Legion fans also purchase other archive lines. Speaking for myself, I don't own a single JLA Archive, and I would be pretty POed to to have to get one in order to see a story which also belongs somewhere else. The Supergirl stories which featured the Legion have been reprinted in both the Supergirl and the Legion archives, so why wouldn't DC put the JLA/JSA/LSH crossover in both the JLA and LSH Archives? It just doesn't make sense. IP: Logged |
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JayFlip Member |
posted July 23, 2002 06:29 PM
Man...after seeing outpost's list, I really do not want a bunch of Karate Kid stories muddying up the Legion Archives. KK vs. Major Disaster or Diamondeth?!? I am a long-time LSH fan, but no way am I interested in that. Just include KK #1, 12, and 13, and that is plenty. Or leave KK out entirely. IP: Logged |
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Donna Troy Fan Member |
posted July 23, 2002 06:33 PM
I really want the Karate Kid issues included. Definitely the ones with an appearance by another Legionnaire. IP: Logged |
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Rand Al-Thor Member |
posted July 23, 2002 07:48 PM
I definitely would like to see all of KK's books included...if they are not collected by themselves. Tony IP: Logged |
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DStepp Member |
posted July 23, 2002 08:00 PM
GAH!!! I can't hold one side of the argument. Kamandi #58 is a cliffhanger that has nothing to do with LSH. It would be a real jolt. I have slid back to omitting Karate Kid and propose the following. Push Legion Archives up though 14 or 15, which ever gets all the LSH issues up to the Earth War along with the Tabloid (Garth/Imra wedding). After Earth War, the book drags badly. The tales get formulaic in a bad way and Staton (who has his supporters but I am not one of them) takes over the art.The two meaty stories between there and Crisis are the Great Darkness Saga (already TPBed and will be again) and the War of the Super-Villains, culminating in KK's demise. In my view, that should be TPBed as well and when combined with the GDS TPB and the Archives, pretty much covers what's great about the Legion Pre-Crisis. Anything Post-Crisis is pretty much TPB bait in my book. The Archives, given the limited number of slots we get per year, should be devoted to better stuff. D. (That said, I would extend the All-Star Archives up through Adventure #466). IP: Logged |
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Triplicate Boy Member |
posted July 23, 2002 08:02 PM
Please do NOT include the Karate Kid stories. They have almost nothing to do with the Legion, but were an attempt to cash in on the 70s martial arts comics fad. The Legion appearances were completely irrelevant to greater LSH continuity, and there already have been plenty of Legion cameos omitted (some Jimmy Olsens, for example). The stories are terrible and since they are set in the 20th Century their impact was negligible. I just looked on ebay-a set (!) of these is going for $10.
PLEASE don't do it. It will kill the LSH Archives and confuse very many people. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Kamandi2 Member |
posted July 23, 2002 08:11 PM
Don't forget about the Brave and Bold issue that tied up all the loose ends from the Karate Kid series (I think issue 199). We'd definitely need that too! IP: Logged |
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Gnomie Member |
posted July 23, 2002 08:20 PM
As a long long time Legion fan, I feel that if a Karate Kid Archive is not a possibility for the near future then his series should be included in the Legion archives. Archives are about the history of comics. KK is a significant part of the seventies culture in comics (whether good or bad). Most readers would appreciate their inclusion IMO. IP: Logged |
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