posted July 30, 2002 04:00 PM               

1. Solo book.
2. Legion characters in the 20th century were/are terrible mini-series ideas.
3. I can go *buy* the original mini-series in good condition for the cost of an archive.
4. Karate Kid was a terrible book. Late for the Kung Fu theme, failed to use a karate costume (that western Death Valley Days outfit was so inappropriate), had uninspired artwork by Estrada and Staton, and had a crossover to Kamandi.
5. Why would I spend $50 for material I didn't like the first time when it was 20cents an issue?

I'm surprised that the archive sales on the Legion are still high enough to justify doing another one. For many baby boomers, you've reached the books we started our collections at.

posted July 30, 2002 04:35 PM               

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Originally posted by LuornuDurgo:

I'm surprised that the archive sales on the Legion are still high enough to justify doing another one. For many baby boomers, you've reached the books we started our collections at.

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How old were you when you started your collection? My parents were born at the earliest beginnings of the baby boomers (born in the early '40's) and I was born in 68, definitely not a baby boomer, usually described as around 1945-1960. Children of the people who fought in WWII.

I started collecting comics with the books that will appear in 12. Those comics were sold when I stopped collecting. I restarted collecting comics with the Zero Hour books, so I'll be buying the Legion Archives for as long as they put them out, or until they reach the Zero Hour relaunch because that will bring in all my childhood books that I sold and bring me up to where I own copies. Needless to say I also have 1-11 of the archives.

posted July 30, 2002 11:23 PM               

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Originally posted by TommyYesterday:
I vote "no" on including any "Karate Kid" stories in a "Legion" archive. To echo other posters, they weren't very good, and I'd consider them as filler, taking up valuable space that should be used for Legion stories that actually appeared in a Legion book. I wouldn't want, let's say, future "Justice League" archives to include issues of "Firestorm" or "Martian Manhunter", even if they were issues that featured appearances by other JLAers -- and even if it was unlikely that those other series would ever be reprinted, and I don't want "Karate Kid" comics diluting my Legion Archives experience! (Mr. Greenberger, thanks for giving fans a vote!)

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I agree.

posted July 31, 2002 12:14 PM               

As noted, The Legion 'out of time' has NEVER worked. Not for Timber Wolf, not for Karate Kid. Not for Valor (a little different, but still.)

And you can still find him in quarter bins, for goodness sake!

posted July 31, 2002 01:26 PM            

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Originally posted by Spangles:
Karate Kid was one of the 'cute Seventies' concepts that just didn't cut it EVEN THEN. Whereas the hokey TEEN TITANS had charm, and SECRET SOCIETY had great cameos, FREEDOM FIGHTERS had characters people had been clamoring for (and the always gripping 'heroes on the run' plotline,) KARATE KID just dind't have a catch. It was mediocre stories with that godawful Iris-the-Diamond stalker storyline, so-so art , stereotypical dialogue, etc.

As noted, The Legion 'out of time' has NEVER worked. Not for Timber Wolf, not for Karate Kid. Not for Valor (a little different, but still.)

And you can still find him in quarter bins, for goodness sake!

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Really? Where do you shop?

I've only found them for $5 each (and not even ALL of them!)

posted August 01, 2002 07:22 AM               

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Originally posted by datalore:
Really? Where do you shop?

I've only found them for $5 each (and not even ALL of them!)

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I got all but # 2 back in Tampa out of bins for my grandson (I didn't bother to keep mine.) What issues do you need?

posted August 01, 2002 08:44 AM            

I see the point of the folks who don't want these included, but I've tried to suggest ideas not only why they should be included, but as to how DC can put them in as "extra", and hopefully market their inclusion as a reason to get folks who might NOT have tried the Legion to dip in (I never bought in to the Kung-Fu fad, but did get a Shang-Chi/Iron Fist team-up issue way back when, and while I agree that Iron Fist is a better example of that fad, the Karate Kid's aren't SO horrible, and I've always liked the "fish out of water" story...)

posted August 03, 2002 08:54 AM               

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Originally posted by datalore:
I've got them all, Spangles, but might take you up on that if they aren't included (the offer is VERY appreciated, BTW...and I've got a friend who might want them; he's getting the archives, and would want them if they aren't included; I'll try to check in soon, since either way, this has likely stirred up interest in Val's series...)

I see the point of the folks who don't want these included, but I've tried to suggest ideas not only why they should be included, but as to how DC can put them in as "extra", and hopefully market their inclusion as a reason to get folks who might NOT have tried the Legion to dip in (I never bought in to the Kung-Fu fad, but did get a Shang-Chi/Iron Fist team-up issue way back when, and while I agree that Iron Fist is a better example of that fad, the Karate Kid's aren't SO horrible, and I've always liked the "fish out of water" story...)

...and I'm kind of curious how this will turn out (and I'm hoping Bob will keep checking in and giving us MORE insight into the Archive process...)

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Just email me via the info on the boards if you end up needing them!

(I also have a STEEL, THE INDESTRUCTIBLE MAN # 1 and some FREEDOM FIGHTERS and SECRET SOCIETY from the quarter bins, if anyone needs them. I say 'share the wealth!')

ERNIE CHAN/CHUA RULES!

posted August 03, 2002 12:38 PM            

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Originally posted by Trans-Fatty Acids:
Hello all!
I'm new to these boards and I wanted to say that reading thru all the responses to this thread has shown me what a wonderful little community is contained herein.
Everyone take a bow!
Now, to answer Mr.G's query~ I believe that only KK #1 needs to be included in the upcoming Legion Archives.
It establishes that KK got his own title, went to the 20th century and had some adventures while there.
Frankly, that's all I need to know.
Thanks for asking, and thanks to my fellow posters for all their responses which helped me to formulate my own.

T-FA

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Welcome, TFA! Heck of username!

Glad we could help out with your decision-making process, even if your decision is wrong.

posted August 03, 2002 10:15 PM               

<b>LEGION 12 gets closer to a decision and it ***looks as if*** KK #1 and the KK issue which crossed over with the main Legion series will be included. </b>

OK, so remind me how many issues of KK we are talking about here if what "looks as if" happens.

posted August 04, 2002 04:58 AM            

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Originally posted by dylanfan:
Schatzie reports from the SDCC:

<b>LEGION 12 gets closer to a decision and it ***looks as if*** KK #1 and the KK issue which crossed over with the main Legion series will be included. </b>

OK, so remind me how many issues of KK we are talking about here if what "looks as if" happens.

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Well, he said "issue", not "issues", so unless it's a typo, my guess is KK # 10. However, that issue is nowhere near Legion Archives # 12 (it precedes SLSH # 231), so I'm confused.

I hope they're not talking about KK # 4 (and I'm working from memory now, so it could be either 3 or 5 which I mean. The one where Val defeats the robot in the first three pages).

In any event, # 10 only loosely crosses over with the Legion. Like I said before, they mention that he's back in the 30th century in SLSH # 231, but what happened in KK # 10 doesn't really have any bearing on the issue at hand other than Val is there. It's not exactly a two-parter.

posted August 05, 2002 08:37 AM            

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Originally posted by GLC:
[B]I think most of the people there are Archive fans first, Legion fans second. [B]

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posted August 05, 2002 12:14 PM               

I know Legion fans are passionate cause I read their board daily, and post there too. But this same topic on The Legion board has 14 replies and has dropped to page three (as I type.)
I suppose, the Legion fans might have come here first and posted their opinions - as the topic was posted here first. Personally, I think our passion about The Archives out-burns theirs when it comes to Archive topics - even The Legion.

I bet the same holds true across the boards concerning the other character's/series Archives.

posted August 06, 2002 08:53 AM               

If it's important to new fans that hven't ever seen the stories, then I'm all for reprinting them. I just can't see in good form publishing a FIFTY DOLLAR hardcover version of these particular stories. In my view, you might as well include the issue of HEX with the two panel cameo when we get to that point in time.

A good, cheap TPB is a fine item to serve as a companion release.

posted August 12, 2002 08:05 PM            

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Originally posted by Cave Carson:
I decided to refresh my memory and picked up the Karate Kid series last week (in the quarter bin. Just like Spangles said.)
Good Lord, no. This shouldn't be archived. Nostalgia is a powerful drug (like Freedom Fighters in my case) but this would really be out of place in the Legion archives.
MAYBE #1. Just maybe. It would be like archiving the New Gods and carrying past the Kirby issues into the Conway run (another series that has a nostalgic buzz for me.)
I WANT MY QUARTERS BACK!!!!!!!

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I hate to write this, and I'm not trying to put down any KK fans, but this seems to me to be the best solution. KK #1 only.