posted August 13, 2002 08:05 PM               

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Originally posted by Miss Understood:
Just KK 1 will be fine.
The less Iris Jacobs-the better!!

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Hey!!

Just because her hair made her look like a Lhasa Apsu after a chemical plant explosion is no reason to hate her.

Her mewly little "personality".

That's the reason to hate her!!

My I just re-read that. A Simon Cowell moment for Bgztl. Sorry.

Boy, I didn't like her back then.

I wanted a Karate Kid series to be set on Orando with Val, Projectra, et al.

Talk about "holding a grudge"!!

posted August 13, 2002 10:00 PM            

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Originally posted by Cave Carson:
I WANT MY QUARTERS BACK!!!!!!!

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LOL!

posted August 14, 2002 01:17 AM            

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Originally posted by Bgztl:
Hey!!
Just because her hair made her look like a Lhasa Apsu after a chemical plant explosion is no reason to hate her.
Her mewly little "personality".
That's the reason to hate her!!

My I just re-read that. A Simon Cowell moment for Bgztl. Sorry.
Boy, I didn't like her back then.
I wanted a Karate Kid series to be set on Orando with Val, Projectra, et al.
Talk about "holding a grudge"!!

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posted August 16, 2002 06:37 AM               

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Originally posted by Miss Understood:
Just KK 1 will be fine.
The less Iris Jacobs-the better!!

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Is looking into the mirror really that painful, my dear?

posted August 21, 2002 02:04 PM               

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Originally posted by Bob Greenberger:
We're currently planning LEGION ARCHIVES VOL. 12 ...
During the run of LEGION that would be compiled in this volume, Karate Kid was spun off into his own series. The question boils down to whether or not to include his 15 issue run.

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I vote not to include them in the LEGION Archives.

It would be consistent with the other 11 Archive volumes NOT to include the KARATE KID issues.

The KARATE KID issues are new enough that the back issues are inexpensive, easy to find, and outside the LEGION series.

posted August 23, 2002 11:48 AM               

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Originally posted by Miss Understood:
Watch it, I eat adorable little moppets like you for lunch!!

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That explains your battleship-sized figure!!

posted September 02, 2002 01:19 AM               

But please do not include the KK stories. Only team and other core stories please.

posted September 02, 2002 01:57 PM               

But as to your question, I would buy it for the LSH stories incorporated within. However, I would be quite irritated at having to put out $50 for Karate Kid stories that are not part of the core canon.

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Originally posted by outpost2:
The only question is, would people BUY Volume 14 as is?

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posted September 02, 2002 03:12 PM               

to wait another FIVE YEARS (!), at least, for Garth and Imra's wedding and the Earth War is not worth incorporating Karate Kid into the archives.

I remember enjoying some of them. But they aren't team material and just weren't connected enough to the Legion continuity to warrant including them.

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Originally posted by outpost2:
Just for yucks, here is the layout of all the volumes needed to cover the entire KARATE KID series. Volumes 12 and 13 would remain as I posted previously. The two-part JLA team-up in Volume 14 totally screws up the flow of Volume 16, so the JLA issues have been removed.

VOLUME 12

SUPERBOY [first series] # 213 (Dec 1975) 12+6+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 214 (Jan 1976) 12+6+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 215 (Mar 1976) 10+8+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 216 (Apr 1976) 12+6+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 217 (Jun 1976) 11+6+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 218 (Jul 1976) 17+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 219 (Sep 1976) 17+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 220 (Oct 1976) 12+5+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 221 (Nov 1976) 17+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 222 (Dec 1976) 11+6+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 223 (Jan 1976) 17+cover
KARATE KID # 1 (Mar-Apr 1976) 18+cover. Legionnaires appear.
DC SUPER STARS # 3 (May 1976) Reprint cover only.
LIMITED COLLECTORS' EDITION # C-49 (Oct-Nov 1976) Reprint cover only.
LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES [first series] # 1 (Feb 1973) Reprint cover only.
LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES [first series] # 2 (Mar 1973) Reprint cover only.
LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES [first series] # 3 (Apr-May 1973) Reprint cover only.
LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES [first series] # 4 (Jul-Aug 1973) Reprint cover only.

Total pages = 227

VOLUME 13

SUPERBOY [first series] # 224 (Feb 1976) 17+cover
KARATE KID # 2 (May-Jun 1976) 17+cover.
KARATE KID # 3 (Jul-Aug 1976) 17+cover.
KARATE KID # 4 (Sep-Oct 1976) 17+cover. Legionnaires appear.
SUPERBOY [first series] # 225 (Mar 1977) 11+6+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 226 (Apr 1977) 11+6+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 227 (May 1977) 17+cover
DC SPECIAL # 28 (Jun-Jul 1977) 11+cover. Legionnaires appear.
SUPERBOY [first series] # 228 (Jun 1977) 17+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 229 (Jul 1977) 17+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 230 (Aug 1977) 11+6+cover
KARATE KID # 5 (Nov-Dec 1976) 17+cover. Part one of two.
KARATE KID # 6 (Jan-Feb 1977) 17+cover. Part two of two. Legionnaires appear.

Total pages = 228

VOLUME 14

KARATE KID # 7 (Mar-Apr 1977) 17+cover. Karate Kid battles the Gyro-Master.
KARATE KID # 8 (May-Jun 1977) 17+cover. Karate Kid battles Pulsar. Iris Jacobs kisses Karate Kid but they are interrupted by Princess Projectra.
KARATE KID # 9 (Jul-Aug 1977) 17+cover. Projectra appears.
KARATE KID # 10 (Sep-Oct 1977) 17+cover. Karate Kid and Princess Projectra use a time bubble to travel to 30th century Orando.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 231 (Sep 1977) 34+cover. The events of this issue follow immediately after KARATE KID #10.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 232 (Oct 1977) 34+cover.
KARATE KID # 11 (Nov-Dec 1977) 17+cover. Karate Kid returns to the 20th century, battles Major Disaster.
DC SUPER-STARS # 17 (Nov-Dec 1977) 10+cover. Presents the untold story of the Legion's first official case.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 233 (Nov 1977) 24+10+cover.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 234 (Dec 1977) 18+16+cover.

Total pages = 241

VOLUME 15

SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 235 (Jan 1978) 20+14+cover.
KARATE KID # 12 (Jan-Feb 1978) 17+cover. Part one of two. Karate Kid is struck by a temporal blast which sends him into the past. Superboy and younger versions of the Legionnaires appear.
KARATE KID # 13 (Mar-Apr 1978) 17+cover. Part two of two. Karate Kid meets Superboy and younger versions of the Legionnaires.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 236 (Feb 1978) 16+8+10+cover. Lightning Lad proposes to Saturn Girl in the third story in this issue, leads into Tabloid #C-55.
ALL NEW COLLECTORS’ EDITION # C-55 (1978) 64+8+double cover.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 237 (Mar 1978) 34+cover. The Legionnaires say good-bye to Lightning Lad and Saturn Girl, who are forced to resign due to a Legion rule forbidding members from marrying.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 238 (Apr 1978) Reprint cover only.
KARATE KID # 14 (May-Jun 1978) 17+cover. Karate Kid and Robin battle Diamondeth.

Total pages = 234

VOLUME 16

SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 239 (May 1978) 34+cover.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 240 (Jun 1978) 22+12+cover.
KARATE KID # 15 (Jul-Aug 1978) 17+cover. Karate Kid tries to bring Diamondeth to his 30th century home in an attempt to cure her, however the Lord of Time sends the time bubble to the alternate 30th century of Kamandi.
KAMANDI, THE LAST BOY ON EARTH # 58 (Aug-Sep 1978) 17+cover. Due to interference by the Lord of Time, Karate Kid winds up in the wrong future! Eventually, Karate Kid, with Diamondeth, re-enters the timestream and returns to his own future.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 241 (July 1978) 22+12+cover. Earthwar begins.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 242 (Aug 1978) 20+14+cover.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 243 (Sep 1978) 25+cover.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 244 (Oct 1978) 25+cover.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 245 (Nov 1978) 25+cover. Earthwar ends. Karate Kid mentions that the events of KARATE KID #12-13 take place “a few weeks back”.

Total pages = 254

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posted September 02, 2002 03:18 PM               

It was a fabulous story!

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Originally posted by Michael Bise:
The JLA/JSA story from 1977 gets excised, but KK stays???? Please, NO!!!

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posted September 02, 2002 03:38 PM               

It is one of the best JLA/JSA cross-over stories. AND, a fabulous get-to-know you between the Legion, the JLA and the JSA. I don't want to wait 5 or 10 years to get these into my collection.

M

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Originally posted by Corrosive Kid:
Oh, and regarding the JSA/JLA/LSH crossover: it has to be included in the Legion Archives. It's one of those things which people are waiting for, like the wedding tabloid. It's unfair to Legion fans to expect them to pick up a Justice League Archive just to get those issues. People can't assume that Legion fans also purchase other archive lines. Speaking for myself, I don't own a single JLA Archive, and I would be pretty POed to to have to get one in order to see a story which also belongs somewhere else. The Supergirl stories which featured the Legion have been reprinted in both the Supergirl and the Legion archives, so why wouldn't DC put the JLA/JSA/LSH crossover in both the JLA and LSH Archives? It just doesn't make sense.

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posted September 02, 2002 04:02 PM               

Let's not have solo shots or insignificant cameos diminish sales further before the archives reach that high point in the Legion's history.

Even without KK, it's still four volumes away! (Which means at least four years IF DC produces one volume a year.)

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Originally posted by BearPaws:

Archive sales are slowing down for LSH as it is -- cutting the LSH content roughly in half to accomodate a supporting character in an unrelated storyline can't help keep the numbers up. IMHO, most readers (not us fanboys) would appreciate them not being included.

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posted September 02, 2002 04:15 PM               

I'm a JLA fan. But I wouldn't buy their archives. I'm not THAT big a fan. However, I would love to have the JLA/JSA/Legion cross-over in my collection.

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Originally posted by Corrosive Kid:
You're assuming that consumers will be buying all three editions. Again, it's not fair to someone who only buys the Legion Archives to expect them to hunt down a Justice League Archive for two issues, or a TPB of the JLA/JSA crossovers for the same reason. Virtually the whole story takes place in the 30th Century (at least, that's how I remember it) so it's more a Legion story than anything else.

There wasn't a note in Supergirl Archives Vol. 1 to run out and buy Legion Archives Vol. 1 for stories which featured the Legion; why should the JLA/JSA/LSH crossover be any different? Again, just because a customer buys one archive line, DC can't assume that they buy them all (or force them to).

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posted September 02, 2002 05:33 PM               

14B and 15B please.

So have we heard further news about the forthcoming archive? Seems that San Diego moved the decision towards including only a couple of issues of KK.

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Originally posted by outpost2:
The following is what we get by eliminating all KARATE KID issues except for issue #1. Picking and choosing from the KK series is really not an option. The Legionnaires tended to appear in single chapters of multi-part storylines, so you end up needing to include more than two-thirds of the entire series. So it's really all or nothing.

Also, I broke down the volumes based on whether or not the JLA team-ups are included. It turns out that the two-parter is a freebie since, whether you include the JLA tales or not, Volume 15 ends with SUPERBOY # 245. So why not get fatter Archives at the same price? DC needs to do the JLA material anyway for the Justice League Archives, so why not give us the pages for "free" in the Legion line as a "thank you" for supporting 15 volumes?

VOLUME 12

SUPERBOY [first series] # 213 (Dec 1975) 12+6+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 214 (Jan 1976) 12+6+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 215 (Mar 1976) 10+8+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 216 (Apr 1976) 12+6+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 217 (Jun 1976) 11+6+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 218 (Jul 1976) 17+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 219 (Sep 1976) 17+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 220 (Oct 1976) 12+5+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 221 (Nov 1976) 17+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 222 (Dec 1976) 11+6+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 223 (Jan 1976) 17+cover
KARATE KID # 1 (Mar-Apr 1976) 18+cover. Legionnaires appear.
LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES [first series] # 1 (Feb 1973) Reprint cover only.
LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES [first series] # 2 (Mar 1973) Reprint cover only.
LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES [first series] # 3 (Apr-May 1973) Reprint cover only.
LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES [first series] # 4 (Jul-Aug 1973) Reprint cover only.
DC SUPER STARS # 3 (May 1976) Reprint cover only.
LIMITED COLLECTORS' EDITION # C-49 (Oct-Nov 1976) Reprint cover only.

Total pages = 227

VOLUME 13

SUPERBOY [first series] # 224 (Feb 1976) 17+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 225 (Mar 1977) 11+6+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 226 (Apr 1977) 11+6+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 227 (May 1977) 17+cover
DC SPECIAL # 28 (Jun-Jul 1977) 11+cover. Legionnaires appear.
SUPERBOY [first series] # 228 (Jun 1977) 17+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 229 (Jul 1977) 17+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 230 (Aug 1977) 11+6+cover
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 231 (Sep 1977) 34+cover.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 232 (Oct 1977) 34+cover.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 233 (Nov 1977) 24+10+cover.

Total pages = 243

VOLUME 14-A (JLA team-up not included)

DC SUPER-STARS # 17 (Nov-Dec 1977) 10+cover. Legion's first official case.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 234 (Dec 1977) 18+16+cover.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 235 (Jan 1978) 20+14+cover.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 236 (Feb 1978) 16+8+10+cover. Lightning Lad proposes to Saturn Girl in the third story in this issue, leads into Tabloid #C-55.
ALL NEW COLLECTORS’ EDITION # C-55 (1978) 64+8+double cover.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 237 (Mar 1978) 34+cover. The Legionnaires say good-bye to Lightning Lad and Saturn Girl, who are forced to resign due to a Legion rule forbidding members from marrying.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 238 (Apr 1978) Reprint cover only (double cover).

Total pages = 227

VOLUME 15-A (JLA team-up not included)

SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 239 (May 1978) 34+cover.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 240 (Jun 1978) 22+12+cover.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 241 (Jul 1978) 22+12+cover. Earthwar begins.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 242 (Aug 1978) 20+14+cover.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 243 (Sep 1978) 25+cover.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 244 (Oct 1978) 25+cover.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 245 (Nov 1978) 25+cover. Earthwar ends.

Total pages = 218

VOLUME 14-B (JLA team-up included)

DC SUPER-STARS # 17 (Nov-Dec 1977) 10+cover. Legion's first official case.
JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA # 147 (Oct 1977) 32+cover. Part one of two. Legion team-up.
JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA # 148 (Nov 1977) 34+cover. Part two of two. Legion team-up.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 234 (Dec 1977) 18+16+cover.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 235 (Jan 1978) 20+14+cover.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 236 (Feb 1978) 16+8+10+cover. Lightning Lad proposes to Saturn Girl in the third story in this issue, leads into Tabloid #C-55.
ALL NEW COLLECTORS’ EDITION # C-55 (1978) 64+8+double cover.

Total pages = 258

VOLUME 15-B (JLA team-up included)

SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 237 (Mar 1978) 34+cover. The Legionnaires say good-bye to Lightning Lad and Saturn Girl, who are forced to resign due to a Legion rule forbidding members from marrying.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 238 (Apr 1978) Reprint cover only (double cover).
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 239 (May 1978) 34+cover.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 240 (Jun 1978) 22+12+cover.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 241 (Jul 1978) 22+12+cover. Earthwar begins.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 242 (Aug 1978) 20+14+cover.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 243 (Sep 1978) 25+cover.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 244 (Oct 1978) 25+cover.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 245 (Nov 1978) 25+cover. Earthwar ends.

Total pages = 255

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posted September 29, 2002 05:54 PM            

Then, we can return to a yearly schedule.

posted September 30, 2002 07:57 AM               

VOLUME 12 (239 pages)
-SUPERBOY [first series] # 213 (Dec 1975) 12+6+cover
-SUPERBOY [first series] # 214 (Jan 1976) 12+6+cover
-KARATE KID # 1 (Mar-Apr 1976) 18+cover
-SUPERBOY [first series] # 215 (Mar 1976) 10+8+cover
-SUPERBOY [first series] # 216 (Apr 1976) 12+6+cover
-SUPERBOY [first series] # 217 (Jun 1976) 11+6+cover
-SUPERBOY [first series] # 218 (Jul 1976) 17+cover
-SUPERBOY [first series] # 219 (Sep 1976) 17+cover
-SUPERBOY [first series] # 220 (Oct 1976) 12+5+cover
-SUPERBOY [first series] # 221 (Nov 1976) 17+cover
-SUPERBOY [first series] # 222 (Dec 1976) 11+6+cover
-SUPERBOY [first series] # 223 (Jan 1977) 17+cover
-SUPERBOY [first series] # 224 (Feb 1977) 17+cover

VOLUME 13 (234 pages)
-SUPERBOY [first series] # 225 (Mar 1977) 11+6+cover
-SUPERBOY [first series] # 226 (Apr 1977) 11+6+cover
-SUPERBOY [first series] # 227 (May 1977) 17+cover
-DC SPECIAL # 28 (Jun-Jul 1977) 11+cover
-SUPERBOY [first series] # 228 (Jun 1977) 17+cover
-SUPERBOY [first series] # 229 (Jul 1977) 17+cover
-SUPERBOY [first series] # 230 (Aug 1977) 11+6+cover
-SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 231 (Sep 1977) 34+cover
-JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA # 147 (Oct 1977) 32+cover
-JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA # 148 (Nov 1977) 34+cover
-DC SUPER-STARS # 17 (Nov-Dec 1977) 10+cover

VOLUME 14 (249 pages)
-SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 232 (Oct 1977) 34+cover
-SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 233 (Nov 1977) 24+10+cover
-SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 234 (Dec 1977) 18+16+cover
-SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 235 (Jan 1978) 20+14+cover
-SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 236 (Feb 1978) 16+8+10+cover
-ALL NEW COLLECTORS’ EDITION # C-55 (1978) 64+8+wraparound cover

posted October 01, 2002 11:08 AM            

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Originally posted by KryptoSuperDog:
I don't EVEN see what all the debate is about. Hello....? Karate Kid the series??? Does anyone ELSE think it's one of the worst and most derivative comics series ever produced? They only did it to capitalize on the "Kung Fu" craze that was sweeping the nation in the early 70s. Do any of you think it's a coincidence that KK looks so bloody much like Bruce Lee in that particular series???

Come on, you guys. I do not want to waste my Archive dollars on this dumb series. You can probably all run out and find it at some convention; all 15 issues for about a dollar.

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But aren't archives suppose to be historical collections of WHAT WAS GOING ON AT THE TIME?

And, for better or worse, there was a "kung fu" fad in the 1970s, and, capitalizing on that, DC put out Karate Kid (making him the first LEGION SPIN-OFF!)

Not only that, but Nemesis Kid (Val's eventual killer) was in issue #1, and Sadaharu (the Black Dragon) was in issue #10...

I've looked through these recently, and will freely admit these aren't the greatest stories of all...BUT at least half of them have at least TWO Legion members (Val & Jeckie) in them in active roles.

TOTALLY ignoring these stories would be similar to saying Green Arrow started with Denny O'Neil in Green Lantern #76...(well, okay, that is a BIT extreme, but still...)