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NecessaryImpurity
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posted July 23, 2002 01:34 PM
 
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Originally posted by outpost2:
One can therefore conclude that the events of issues #1 to #10 of his own magazine take place between issue #224 and issue #231.
Maybe that's part of the solution: print the KK stories in the approximate place in continuity, rather than publication. Thanks for the research, BTW. IP: Logged |
TheRogueLegionnaire
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posted July 23, 2002 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by outpost2:
Looks like SUPERBOY #213-220 and KARATE KID #1-4 plus the two reprint covers, If you go with the "include all" concept. Also, the Legion appear in #1 and #4, so leaving out #2 and #3 seems awkward.However, based on my comment for KARATE KID #1, you could shift the Karate Kid reprints until after SUPERBOY #224. While some might balk at reprinting out of publication order, there's something to be said for the complete volume reading more smoothly (i.e., you wouldn't see Karate Kid as a member in SUPERBOY while he is solo in the 20th century in his own mag).
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posted July 23, 2002 01:39 PM
I would say "None". If the character/series is not popular enough to support an archive of his own, then dedicating 25% or more of an LSH archive to it seems like a ploy to force fans to pay for material they would choose not to buy, given the choice.My second choice would be "Some", those stories that impacted the ongoing LSH continuity. IP: Logged |
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posted July 23, 2002 01:44 PM
I just realized that if you did shift the KARATE KID stories until after SUPERBOY #224, then Bob's dilemma goes away. Volume 12 would reprint SUPERBOY #213-224. Volume 13 would start with KARATE KID #1.IP: Logged |
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posted July 23, 2002 02:00 PM
The problem with that is the #224 is part one of a two parter (the intro of Pulsar Stargrave). #225 finishes that tale and #226 introduces Dawnstar. Stretch it a little (#223-225 since the stories are only 17 pages) and start #13 with Dawnstar. D. IP: Logged |
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posted July 23, 2002 02:03 PM
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Originally posted by dylanfan:
Another thing to look at : after KK #1-15 and the Kamandi #58 crossover, you have 289 pages of Karate Kid. Too much for a single Archives, no? If so, how could they split this up? Looks like a headache....
I hesitated even mentioning the KAMANDI tie-in figuring we'd cross that bridge when we come to it. Now you guys have a better idea why we turned to you for feedback.
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posted July 23, 2002 02:25 PM
Actually, the story in #224 is a three-parter which is concluded in #226 and #227. The break between #224 and #225 is not as awkward as you might think. Issue #225 is a Legion election issue. When you get to #226, the feeling is that some time has passed since #224, so it's more like a sub-plot and less like a multi-parter.
Here are some ideas for volumes which follow continuity order instead of publication order:
VOLUME 12 SUPERBOY [first series] # 213 (Dec 1975)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 214 (Jan 1976)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 215 (Mar 1976)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 216 (Apr 1976)
DC SUPER STARS # 3 (May 1976) Reprint cover only.
SUPERBOY [first series] # 217 (Jun 1976)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 218 (Jul 1976)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 219 (Sep 1976)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 220 (Oct 1976)
LIMITED COLLECTORS' EDITION # C-49 (Oct-Nov 1976) Reprint cover only.
SUPERBOY [first series] # 221
SUPERBOY [first series] # 222
SUPERBOY [first series] # 223
SUPERBOY [first series] # 224 VOLUME 13
Note: KARATE KID #1 takes place just after SUPERBOY #224. KARATE KID #5-10 take place just prior to SUPERBOY #231. KARATE KID # 1 (Mar-Apr 1976) Legionnaires appear.
KARATE KID # 2 (May-Jun 1976)
KARATE KID # 3 (Jul-Aug 1976)
KARATE KID # 4 (Sep-Oct 1976) Legionnaires appear.
SUPERBOY [first series] # 225 (Mar 1977)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 226 (Apr 1977)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 227 (May 1977)
DC SPECIAL # 28 (Jun-Jul 1977) Brainiac 5, Ultra Boy, Phantom Girl, Timber Wolf, and Chemical King appear.
SUPERBOY [first series] # 228 (Jun 1977)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 229 (Jul 1977)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 230 (Aug 1977) VOLUME 14 KARATE KID # 5 (Nov-Dec 1976) Part one of two.
KARATE KID # 6 (Jan-Feb 1977) Part two of two. Legionnaires appear.
KARATE KID # 7 (Mar-Apr 1977) Karate Kid battles the Gyro-Master.
KARATE KID # 8 (May-Jun 1977) Karate Kid battles Pulsar. Iris Jacobs kisses Karate Kid but they are interrupted by Princess Projectra.
KARATE KID # 9 (Jul-Aug 1977) Projectra appears.
KARATE KID # 10 (Sep-Oct 1977) Karate Kid and Princess Projectra use a time bubble to travel to 30th century Orando.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 231 (Sep 1977) 48 pagers begin. The events of this issue follow immediately after KARATE KID #10.
JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA # 147 (Oct 1977) Part one of two. Legion team-up.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 232 (Oct 1977)
KARATE KID # 11 (Nov-Dec 1977) Karate Kid returns to the 20th century, battles Major Disaster.
DC SUPER-STARS # 17 (Nov-Dec 1977) Presents the untold story of the Legion's first official case.
JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA # 148 (Nov 1977) Part two of two. Legion team-up. Note: Not much SUPERBOY material in Volume 14, eh? I suppose one could figure out exactly where the JLA team-up fits, and group the two-parter together, but since we have a few years before Volume 14, I suggest we not worry about it right now. 
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posted July 23, 2002 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by Bob Greenberger:
I hesitated even mentioning the KAMANDI tie-in figuring we'd cross that bridge when we come to it.Now you guys have a better idea why we turned to you for feedback.
As the Archives move into the 1980s, this sort of problem is going to become routine. I don't envy whoever has to try to untangle recent continuity for collection. IP: Logged |
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posted July 23, 2002 02:31 PM
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Originally posted by outpost2:
Actually, the story in #224 is a three-parter which is concluded in #226 and #227. The break between #224 and #225 is not as awkward as you might think. Issue #225 is a Legion election issue. When you get to #226, the feeling is that some time has passed since #224, so it's more like a sub-plot and less like a multi-parter.
Here are some ideas for volumes which follow continuity order instead of publication order:
VOLUME 12 SUPERBOY [first series] # 213 (Dec 1975)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 214 (Jan 1976)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 215 (Mar 1976)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 216 (Apr 1976)
DC SUPER STARS # 3 (May 1976) Reprint cover only.
SUPERBOY [first series] # 217 (Jun 1976)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 218 (Jul 1976)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 219 (Sep 1976)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 220 (Oct 1976)
LIMITED COLLECTORS' EDITION # C-49 (Oct-Nov 1976) Reprint cover only.
SUPERBOY [first series] # 221
SUPERBOY [first series] # 222
SUPERBOY [first series] # 223
SUPERBOY [first series] # 224 VOLUME 13
Note: KARATE KID #1 takes place just after SUPERBOY #224. KARATE KID #5-10 take place just prior to SUPERBOY #231. KARATE KID # 1 (Mar-Apr 1976) Legionnaires appear.
KARATE KID # 2 (May-Jun 1976)
KARATE KID # 3 (Jul-Aug 1976)
KARATE KID # 4 (Sep-Oct 1976) Legionnaires appear.
SUPERBOY [first series] # 225 (Mar 1977)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 226 (Apr 1977)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 227 (May 1977)
DC SPECIAL # 28 (Jun-Jul 1977) Brainiac 5, Ultra Boy, Phantom Girl, Timber Wolf, and Chemical King appear.
SUPERBOY [first series] # 228 (Jun 1977)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 229 (Jul 1977)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 230 (Aug 1977) VOLUME 14 KARATE KID # 5 (Nov-Dec 1976) Part one of two.
KARATE KID # 6 (Jan-Feb 1977) Part two of two. Legionnaires appear.
KARATE KID # 7 (Mar-Apr 1977) Karate Kid battles the Gyro-Master.
KARATE KID # 8 (May-Jun 1977) Karate Kid battles Pulsar. Iris Jacobs kisses Karate Kid but they are interrupted by Princess Projectra.
KARATE KID # 9 (Jul-Aug 1977) Projectra appears.
KARATE KID # 10 (Sep-Oct 1977) Karate Kid and Princess Projectra use a time bubble to travel to 30th century Orando.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 231 (Sep 1977) 48 pagers begin. The events of this issue follow immediately after KARATE KID #10.
JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA # 147 (Oct 1977) Part one of two. Legion team-up.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 232 (Oct 1977)
KARATE KID # 11 (Nov-Dec 1977) Karate Kid returns to the 20th century, battles Major Disaster.
DC SUPER-STARS # 17 (Nov-Dec 1977) Presents the untold story of the Legion's first official case.
JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA # 148 (Nov 1977) Part two of two. Legion team-up. Note: Not much SUPERBOY material in Volume 14, eh? I suppose one could figure out exactly where the JLA team-up fits, and group the two-parter together, but since we have a few years before Volume 14, I suggest we not worry about it right now.
If this is the way it goes I would be completly happy(except splitting the JLA issues they should be back to back).
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posted July 23, 2002 02:40 PM
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TheRogueLegionnaire said:
If this is the way it goes I would be completely happy (except splitting the JLA issues they should be back to back).
I only listed them that way because I need to rush out to the post office and don't have time to figure out the best place to insert them. I agree whole heartedly that they need to be back-to-back. The only question is, would people BUY Volume 14 as is?
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posted July 23, 2002 02:41 PM
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posted July 23, 2002 02:59 PM
Well, this thread was certainly a pleasant surprise! Let me add to the chorus of people thanking Mr. Greenberger for his question. It's great to get a clue about 2003, great to be asked for our opinion, and great to anticipate Legion #12!Put me down as a vote for inclusion of all the KK issues. I'm a big completist -- I want to see as much reprinted as possible. I might support a separate KK Archive, but that doesn't seem to be on the table, so I'd support the continuity-based publication floated by outpost. Outpost's proposal seems to balance KK stuff with pure Legion stuff pretty well. I'm such a completist I even hope DC includes the covers outpost mentions! Even beyond personal preference, reprinting KK seems to me to be the best thing to do. Anyone who's really that offended by seeing those issues included doesn't have to buy the Archive -- although I imagine very few potential buyers would be scared away by MORE inclusion in reprint selection. On the other hand, if KK stories aren't included, people like me who would be disappointed by that really have nowhere to turn, short of trying to track down the original issues. You can't make everyone happy, of course, but I'd suspect that most Archive customers want historical recreation of a series as much as possible, and including KK gives the best feeling for the material available to a Legion fan during that time period. I can't comment on the quality of the material, as I don't believe I ever read KK. But that's all the more reason to Archive it! It's a fairly obscure series; I imagine many potential buyers (especially younger people) haven't read it and would approach the inclusion of these issues with an open mind. I certainly enjoyed Mr. Levitz's run on Legion, though, so I expect I would similiarly enjoy his KK material. Once the decision is made, please let us know the outcome. Thanks! IP: Logged |
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posted July 23, 2002 03:00 PM
I wouldn't work up much enthusiasm for including the JLA-JSA teamup in this Archive since JLA will get there eventually and the JLA/JSA TPB series will get there faster. Save the space for "real" Legion material. Deleting these two will allow for the include of SLSH #233 and 234. #15 could include the balance of KK, and #235-240. #16, which should have ever on pins and needles, could include the Garth/Imra wedding and EarthWar. Ahem. Dear DC, Speed Up. Love, D. IP: Logged |
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posted July 23, 2002 03:12 PM
may i suggest the archive containing the kk series be titled THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES -KARATE KID that way it could be seenas a stant alone archive for val and STILL be part of the legion archives------------------
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posted July 23, 2002 03:20 PM
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Originally posted by outpost2:
VOLUME 14KARATE KID # 5 (Nov-Dec 1976) Part one of two.
KARATE KID # 6 (Jan-Feb 1977) Part two of two. Legionnaires appear.
KARATE KID # 7 (Mar-Apr 1977) Karate Kid battles the Gyro-Master.
KARATE KID # 8 (May-Jun 1977) Karate Kid battles Pulsar. Iris Jacobs kisses Karate Kid but they are interrupted by Princess Projectra.
KARATE KID # 9 (Jul-Aug 1977) Projectra appears.
KARATE KID # 10 (Sep-Oct 1977) Karate Kid and Princess Projectra use a time bubble to travel to 30th century Orando.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 231 (Sep 1977) 48 pagers begin. The events of this issue follow immediately after KARATE KID #10.
JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA # 147 (Oct 1977) Part one of two. Legion team-up.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 232 (Oct 1977)
KARATE KID # 11 (Nov-Dec 1977) Karate Kid returns to the 20th century, battles Major Disaster.
DC SUPER-STARS # 17 (Nov-Dec 1977) Presents the untold story of the Legion's first official case.
JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA # 148 (Nov 1977) Part two of two. Legion team-up. Note: Not much SUPERBOY material in Volume 14, eh? I suppose one could figure out exactly where the JLA team-up fits, and group the two-parter together, but since we have a few years before Volume 14, I suggest we not worry about it right now.
This projected Vol. 14 would run over 280 pages, counting covers (just my rough estimate, with the KK issues being 18 each with covers, the SLOSH and JLA issues being 35 including covers). Best leave out the JLA issues for a forthcoming JLA Archive or 'Multiple Earths' TPB. DStepp pretty much summed up one good alternative (Is there a good break between 233 and 234? Including both (well, either) would still be a hefty sized volume). Cass IP: Logged |
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posted July 23, 2002 03:36 PM
LSH Volume 16 will get even stickier... look what happens once we get deeper into 1978...Karate Kid #'s 12-15
Kamandi #58 (KK x-over)
All New Collectors Edition C-55 (76 pages itself)
SLOSH #'s 23? (wherever the cutoff is determined) to 237 (238 is a reprint so the new cover reprinted only), 239 to 240 (any further and you cut right in the middle of EarthWar) (each issue 35 pages apiece).
... and probably more that I can't remember right now.... (I'll blissfully ignore the LSH's cameo in DC Comics Presents #2 ) Yikes! Cass IP: Logged |
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posted July 23, 2002 03:39 PM
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Originally posted by casselmm47:
LSH Volume 16 will blah blah blah... Cass
Or even vol. 15.... y'all know what I mean though... Cass IP: Logged |
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posted July 23, 2002 03:59 PM
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Originally posted by outpost2:
Actually, the story in #224 is a three-parter which is concluded in #226 and #227. The break between #224 and #225 is not as awkward as you might think. Issue #225 is a Legion election issue. When you get to #226, the feeling is that some time has passed since #224, so it's more like a sub-plot and less like a multi-parter.
Here are some ideas for volumes which follow continuity order instead of publication order:
VOLUME 12 SUPERBOY [first series] # 213 (Dec 1975)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 214 (Jan 1976)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 215 (Mar 1976)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 216 (Apr 1976)
DC SUPER STARS # 3 (May 1976) Reprint cover only.
SUPERBOY [first series] # 217 (Jun 1976)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 218 (Jul 1976)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 219 (Sep 1976)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 220 (Oct 1976)
LIMITED COLLECTORS' EDITION # C-49 (Oct-Nov 1976) Reprint cover only.
SUPERBOY [first series] # 221
SUPERBOY [first series] # 222
SUPERBOY [first series] # 223
SUPERBOY [first series] # 224 VOLUME 13
Note: KARATE KID #1 takes place just after SUPERBOY #224. KARATE KID #5-10 take place just prior to SUPERBOY #231. KARATE KID # 1 (Mar-Apr 1976) Legionnaires appear.
KARATE KID # 2 (May-Jun 1976)
KARATE KID # 3 (Jul-Aug 1976)
KARATE KID # 4 (Sep-Oct 1976) Legionnaires appear.
SUPERBOY [first series] # 225 (Mar 1977)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 226 (Apr 1977)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 227 (May 1977)
DC SPECIAL # 28 (Jun-Jul 1977) Brainiac 5, Ultra Boy, Phantom Girl, Timber Wolf, and Chemical King appear.
SUPERBOY [first series] # 228 (Jun 1977)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 229 (Jul 1977)
SUPERBOY [first series] # 230 (Aug 1977)
How about we move Karate Kid 1 to Volume 12, and S&LSH 224 to 13? Makes the Pulsar Stargrave stuff more in one, and gives a teaser to see if folks WANT more Karate Kid? quote:
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VOLUME 14KARATE KID # 5 (Nov-Dec 1976) Part one of two.
KARATE KID # 6 (Jan-Feb 1977) Part two of two. Legionnaires appear.
KARATE KID # 7 (Mar-Apr 1977) Karate Kid battles the Gyro-Master.
KARATE KID # 8 (May-Jun 1977) Karate Kid battles Pulsar. Iris Jacobs kisses Karate Kid but they are interrupted by Princess Projectra.
KARATE KID # 9 (Jul-Aug 1977) Projectra appears.
KARATE KID # 10 (Sep-Oct 1977) Karate Kid and Princess Projectra use a time bubble to travel to 30th century Orando.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 231 (Sep 1977) 48 pagers begin. The events of this issue follow immediately after KARATE KID #10.
JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA # 147 (Oct 1977) Part one of two. Legion team-up.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 232 (Oct 1977)
KARATE KID # 11 (Nov-Dec 1977) Karate Kid returns to the 20th century, battles Major Disaster.
DC SUPER-STARS # 17 (Nov-Dec 1977) Presents the untold story of the Legion's first official case.
JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA # 148 (Nov 1977) Part two of two. Legion team-up. Note: Not much SUPERBOY material in Volume 14, eh? I suppose one could figure out exactly where the JLA team-up fits, and group the two-parter together, but since we have a few years before Volume 14, I suggest we not worry about it right now.
If after seeing how the "test" with Karate Kid 1 goes in Volume 12, the rest of the breakdown could be altered as need be...(I do think most folks have felt that at least KK 1 merits inclusion...and we could then take the test DIRECTLY to the Archive buying public that way (on top of those of us on the boards) (And I want the Archives to "hurry up" to the wedding & Earthwar issues, but I think many NEW fans who will likely NEVER see Karate Kid issues deserve to see them...) (Oh, and Bob, thanks for asking!)
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posted July 23, 2002 04:03 PM
I can't say that I'm a huge fan of LOSH. Only own 2 Archives of them.
But, I thinks it's great that Bob Greenberger drops in and asks our opinion.
This is a part of what makes the Archive Editions so special.
Please come around more often, Bob.------------------
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posted July 23, 2002 04:19 PM
I think I have it folks! Using the GCD, I was able to calculate the page count. Also, after thinking about DStepp's comment, I realized that there might never be a Volume 13, so I swapped SUPERBOY #224 with KARATE KID #1 (as per datalore's suggestion). I don't recall the covers of the LEGION reprint series being included in the last volume, so I lumped all the miscellaneous covers at the end of Volume 12. And I grouped the JLA-LSH team-up at the very end of Volume 14 (but DStepp has a point that maybe this should be omitted and replaced by more SUPERBOY/KK material).Note: KARATE KID #1 takes place just after SUPERBOY #224. KARATE KID #5-10 take place just prior to SUPERBOY #231. The four choices for Volume 12 are: (1) All KARATE KID issues in publication order. This would be a disaster to read. Interrupted flow, split multi-parters. Yuck! (2) All KARATE KID issues in continuity order. Doesn't affect Volume 12 as described below. (3) Select KARATE KID issues. Doesn't affect Volume 12 either, because I suspect everyone would agree that issue #1 is one of the ones to be included. (4) No KARATE KID at all. This causes a problem because of SUPERBOY #224, which concludes in #226-227. So why don't we take a survey, for Mr. Greenberger's benefit. I vote Option #2.
VOLUME 12
SUPERBOY [first series] # 213 (Dec 1975) 12+6+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 214 (Jan 1976) 12+6+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 215 (Mar 1976) 10+8+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 216 (Apr 1976) 12+6+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 217 (Jun 1976) 11+6+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 218 (Jul 1976) 17+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 219 (Sep 1976) 17+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 220 (Oct 1976) 12+5+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 221 (Nov 1976) 17+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 222 (Dec 1976) 11+6+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 223 (Jan 1976) 17+cover
KARATE KID # 1 (Mar-Apr 1976) 18+cover. Legionnaires appear.
DC SUPER STARS # 3 (May 1976) Reprint cover only.
LIMITED COLLECTORS' EDITION # C-49 (Oct-Nov 1976) Reprint cover only.
LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES [first series] # 1 (Feb 1973) Reprint cover only.
LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES [first series] # 2 (Mar 1973) Reprint cover only.
LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES [first series] # 3 (Apr-May 1973) Reprint cover only.
LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES [first series] # 4 (Jul-Aug 1973) Reprint cover only. Total pages = 227 VOLUME 13 SUPERBOY [first series] # 224 (Feb 1976) 17+cover
KARATE KID # 2 (May-Jun 1976) 17+cover.
KARATE KID # 3 (Jul-Aug 1976) 17+cover.
KARATE KID # 4 (Sep-Oct 1976) 17+cover. Legionnaires appear.
SUPERBOY [first series] # 225 (Mar 1977) 11+6+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 226 (Apr 1977) 11+6+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 227 (May 1977) 17+cover
DC SPECIAL # 28 (Jun-Jul 1977) 11+cover. Legionnaires appear.
SUPERBOY [first series] # 228 (Jun 1977) 17+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 229 (Jul 1977) 17+cover
SUPERBOY [first series] # 230 (Aug 1977) 11+6+cover
KARATE KID # 5 (Nov-Dec 1976) 17+cover. Part one of two.
KARATE KID # 6 (Jan-Feb 1977) 17+cover. Part two of two. Legionnaires appear. Total pages = 228 VOLUME 14 KARATE KID # 7 (Mar-Apr 1977) 17+cover. Karate Kid battles the Gyro-Master.
KARATE KID # 8 (May-Jun 1977) 17+cover. Karate Kid battles Pulsar. Iris Jacobs kisses Karate Kid but they are interrupted by Princess Projectra.
KARATE KID # 9 (Jul-Aug 1977) 17+cover. Projectra appears.
KARATE KID # 10 (Sep-Oct 1977) 17+cover. Karate Kid and Princess Projectra use a time bubble to travel to 30th century Orando.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 231 (Sep 1977) 34+cover. The events of this issue follow immediately after KARATE KID #10.
SUPERBOY & THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES # 232 (Oct 1977) 34+cover.
KARATE KID # 11 (Nov-Dec 1977) 17+cover. Karate Kid returns to the 20th century, battles Major Disaster.
DC SUPER-STARS # 17 (Nov-Dec 1977) 10+cover. Presents the untold story of the Legion's first official case.
JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA # 147 (Oct 1977) 32+cover. Part one of two. Legion team-up.
JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA # 148 (Nov 1977) 34+cover. Part two of two. Legion team-up. Total pages = 239
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posted July 23, 2002 04:26 PM
Whoops! Screwed up the order of the reprint covers in Volume 12. My bad.  IP: Logged |
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posted July 23, 2002 04:30 PM
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posted July 23, 2002 04:30 PM
I'd argue for them to be included. Having not read them, I really can't argue for quality or significance to Legion history. But, I would say to include them for the same reason modern history books are starting to include voyages of the afro-phoenicians, the Norse, and Romans to the New World before Columbus. None of these expeditions were really that important in the overall history of the human race, or even the shorter history of Old and New World relations. They're included because they give a more complete picture of what the past looked like. Which is why I'd include the KK issues; they give a more complete picture of what the Legion looked like in the mid- to late 1970s. But, that's just me. IP: Logged |
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posted July 23, 2002 04:35 PM
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Originally posted by outpost2:
I think I have it folks! Using the GCD, I was able to calculate the page count. Also, after thinking about DStepp's comment, I realized that there might never be a Volume 13, so I swapped SUPERBOY #224 with KARATE KID #1 (as per datalore's suggestion). I don't recall the covers of the LEGION reprint series being included in the last volume, so I lumped all the miscellaneous covers at the end of Volume 12. And I grouped the JLA-LSH team-up at the very end of Volume 14 (but DStepp has a point that maybe this should be omitted and replaced by more SUPERBOY/KK material).Note: KARATE KID #1 takes place just after SUPERBOY #224. KARATE KID #5-10 take place just prior to SUPERBOY #231. The four choices for Volume 12 are:
(1) All KARATE KID issues in publication order. This would be a disaster to read. Interrupted flow, split multi-parters. Yuck!
(2) All KARATE KID issues in continuity order. Doesn't affect Volume 12 as described below. (3) Select KARATE KID issues. Doesn't affect Volume 12 either, because I suspect everyone would agree that issue #1 is one of the ones to be included. (4) No KARATE KID at all. This causes a problem because of SUPERBOY #224, which concludes in #226-227. So why don't we take a survey, for Mr. Greenberger's benefit. I vote Option #2.
Outpost2 (as well as others) has done a wonderful job in summarizing. I agree we should try to use the options he presented above to decide...
(And, odd question, but what about the Legion material from the Amazing World of DC Comics? Or am I further complicating? 
Put me down for option #2 also.
(Trying to simplify for Bob Greenberger, who probably wasn't looking for us to COMPLICATE the issue...) (and Outpost2's topic has it...S&LSH 213-223, and Karate Kid #1, as well as MANY covers to Legion reprints! This also allows DC to start Volume 12, as would option 3...and gets us our Archive faster!)
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posted July 23, 2002 04:38 PM
U2 makes a good point about context. In the mid-to-late 70s, the Legion was going supernova in popularity. The book expanded to 48 pages of new material, Karate Kid pulled a spin-off series, the All-New Collector's Edition wedding, reprints all over the place, a JLA crossover, etc., etc. It was a heady time to be a Legion a fan. Seems like including the Karate Kid stories in their entirety makes sense. I'm changing my vote from "all or none" to "all".IP: Logged |
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