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James Friel Member	posted April 02, 2002 05:06 PM I'd love to see a Golden Age Sub-Mariner book, but I'd guess that it's very unlikely. As far as Silver Age Marvel goes, the rest of the Kirby FF and Thor (and we're just getting into the really good stuff on Thor as far as I'm concerned) are at the top of my list, followed by a Human Torch volume and the SHIELD vol.1 that they've already announced. The Adams run on X-Men in hard covers would be welcome, too. I suppose Marvel has lost the rights to reprint Conan and Kull by now.... IP: Logged
Cave Carson Member	posted April 02, 2002 06:13 PM You're probably right How nice would a CONAN masterworks look sitting on the shelf next to the Kubert TARZAN archives? Still want my BULLSEYE collected edition.... IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted April 02, 2002 07:37 PM quote: Originally posted by Cave Carson: You're probably right How nice would a CONAN masterworks look sitting on the shelf next to the Kubert TARZAN archives? Still want my BULLSEYE collected edition.... I would absolutely love to have both of those. And Manning and Jesse Marsh Tarzan and Severin and Ploog Kull, too. IP: Logged
profh0011 Member	posted April 02, 2002 10:28 PM Around 10 years ago, when I felt Marvel had become completely irredeemable, the LAST Marvel I was buying was-- of all things-- CLASSIC CONAN, reprints of the earliest issues by Roy Thomas & Barry Smith! Twas a sad day when that got cancelled... By the way, did anyone ever see the recent RED SONJA by Thomas & Steve Lightle? It reminded me a LOT of the Thomas-Smith CONAN issues. (It was put out by some small publisher-- sadly, it only lasted a single issue!) IP: Logged
NecessaryImpurity Member	posted April 22, 2002 05:07 PM Diamond says "X-Men, Vol 1" ships this week. See http://www.diamondcomics.com/shipping/shipping_042402.txt Well, they are still having scheduling difficulties, but that's 2 down, 29 to go for the re-issue program. IP: Logged
dylanfan Member	posted April 22, 2002 05:37 PM Damn, NI! You're fast on the draw! Yes, the X-men Masterworks ships this week...finally a second volume to compare with Spider-Man. Wonder what differences in approach to the dustjacket we might see? A nice trend is developing, too, re: Masterworks shipping. Spider-Man was 5 weeks late, X-Men is 4 weeks late, Subby will be 3 weeks late.....yes, we Masterworks fans have to cling what shreds of hope we can get! Complain not, ye fans of the DC Archives! You could be a long-suffering Masterworks schlub like me. ------------------ Visit the Marvel Masterworks fansite and Message Board: Go to www.marvelmasterworks.freeservers.com IP: Logged
G. Cornelis McWilliams Member	posted April 23, 2002 07:43 PM I will be picking up both X-Men and Sub-Mariner Masterworks over the next 2 weeks. I may have to hold on Sgt. Rock. It dependes on my funds. Marvel's no re-stocking policy almosts forces a person into buying thier Masterworks within a year or so of thier release. Granted, I could wait (and I might)on X-Men and buy Sgt. Rock. IP: Logged
James Friel Member	posted April 23, 2002 07:46 PM I don't think that policy applies to books anymore. Marvel seems to have figured it out finally--most of the profit on books (as opposed to periodicals) comes from reorders over a long period, sometimes years or even decades. IP: Logged
kdu Member	posted April 24, 2002 02:02 AM Wow! I come back after six months and find one of my posts still active. My life has meaning. IP: Logged
dylanfan Member	posted April 24, 2002 10:42 AM quote: Originally posted by kdu: Wow! I come back after six months and find one of my posts still active. My life has meaning. I guess after six months, we should be happy the Marvel Masterworks are still active!!! ------------------ Visit the Marvel Masterworks fansite and Message Board: Go to www.marvelmasterworks.freeservers.com IP: Logged
JayFlip Member	posted April 24, 2002 12:29 PM quote: Originally posted by James Friel: I'd love to see a Golden Age Sub-Mariner book, but I'd guess that it's very unlikely. As far as Silver Age Marvel goes, the rest of the Kirby FF and Thor (and we're just getting into the really good stuff on Thor as far as I'm concerned) are at the top of my list, followed by a Human Torch volume and the SHIELD vol.1 that they've already announced. The Adams run on X-Men in hard covers would be welcome, too. I suppose Marvel has lost the rights to reprint Conan and Kull by now.... I agree with your choices, James. I recently read the Steranko SHIELD TPBs and the latest FF Masterwork and, damn, that is some good stuff. Late '60s Marvel really stands the test of time IMHO. IP: Logged
positronic Member	posted April 25, 2002 05:04 AM Am I the only one here who preferred the old (formerly 'new', so let's just call it "2nd") Masterworks trade dress? It was more dynamic, less staid and stodgy, and really conveyed the exuberant spirit and bombastic qualities of 1960s Marvel Comics. Even though there were only 4 new volumes in the series (FF 6, Thor 3, Daredevil 2, X-Men 3) I bemoan its passing, all too soon. Worse, now I have no real confidence that Marvel will maintain any real overall design standard for years to come. If you think the Masterworks situation is bad, just look at how many line-wide design changes they've been through in their trade paperback program. Sheesh! IP: Logged
dylanfan Member	posted April 25, 2002 01:58 PM quote: Originally posted by positronic: Am I the only one here who preferred the old (formerly 'new', so let's just call it "2nd") Masterworks trade dress? It was more dynamic, less staid and stodgy, and really conveyed the exuberant spirit and bombastic qualities of 1960s Marvel Comics. Even though there were only 4 new volumes in the series (FF 6, Thor 3, Daredevil 2, X-Men 3) I bemoan its passing, all too soon. Worse, now I have no real confidence that Marvel will maintain any real overall design standard for years to come. If you think the Masterworks situation is bad, just look at how many line-wide design changes they've been through in their trade paperback program. Sheesh! No, you're not the only one that liked the ComicCraft trade dress, but I do think you are in the minority. I saw it's merits, like you, but most people didn't like it. I do like the new trade dress quite a bit, though until I see the X-Men volume, I won't have anything to compare it to. I seriously doubt Marvel has any plans to issue a fourth Masterworks design. That would be commercial suicide of the highest order. ------------------ Visit the Marvel Masterworks fansite and Message Board: Go to www.marvelmasterworks.freeservers.com IP: Logged
flapjack Member	posted April 25, 2002 03:01 PM quote: Originally posted by positronic: Am I the only one here who preferred the old (formerly 'new', so let's just call it "2nd") Masterworks trade dress? It was more dynamic, less staid and stodgy, and really conveyed the exuberant spirit and bombastic qualities of 1960s Marvel Comics. Even though there were only 4 new volumes in the series (FF 6, Thor 3, Daredevil 2, X-Men 3) I bemoan its passing, all too soon. Worse, now I have no real confidence that Marvel will maintain any real overall design standard for years to come. If you think the Masterworks situation is bad, just look at how many line-wide design changes they've been through in their trade paperback program. Sheesh! We are really in the minority on this, positronic. By far, the Comicraft covers are my favorite. I think they really captured the fun, 4-color craziness feel 60s Marvel perfectly. They were a colorful and eye-catching design. Especially the last FF volume with "This Man, This Monster" on it. A lot of people really think they don't protray the "masterwork essence". They prefer the more stoic Marble design. All three so far are nice looking. I do think the newest design is a good choice. I just will really miss those 60s Pop-Art covers. IP: Logged
JayFlip Member	posted April 25, 2002 03:07 PM It's nice to have consistency, and I like to see all of the original comic book covers lined up on the back cover, but the dust jacket doesn't matter that much to me. It's the inside that counts - the reproduction of the linework, the quality of the coloring, etc. I buy the books to read, not to display. As far as I'm concerned each of the first two had their plusses and minuses. Haven't seen the latest so I can't judge. IP: Logged
THE TURTLE Member	posted April 25, 2002 03:26 PM Let me see if i understand this correctly...Marvel will Rerelease all of the Marvel MasterWorks That were Published with the First and Second MasterWorks trade dress BUT at $49.95 a Piece instead of $34.95?If so what about the Masterworks that were Released with lower Price Tags?Like The Incredible Hulk Vol 1{Which Reprinted The Incredible Hulk vol 1 #1-6}I cant see forking out $49.95 for 6 storys.It would hardly seem fair... Any why Wasnt X-Men vol 3 Released with the new Trade Dress? How Many Books have been Rereleased thus far?Any others on the Horizon? IP: Logged
dylanfan Member	posted April 25, 2002 05:10 PM quote: Originally posted by THE TURTLE: Let me see if i understand this correctly...Marvel will Rerelease all of the Marvel MasterWorks That were Published with the First and Second MasterWorks trade dress BUT at $49.95 a Piece instead of $34.95?If so what about the Masterworks that were Released with lower Price Tags?Like The Incredible Hulk Vol 1{Which Reprinted The Incredible Hulk vol 1 #1-6}I cant see forking out $49.95 for 6 storys.It would hardly seem fair... Any why Wasnt X-Men vol 3 Released with the new Trade Dress? How Many Books have been Rereleased thus far?Any others on the Horizon? Lotsa questions here, all of them answered at various points at my website. (plug!) ------------------ Visit the Marvel Masterworks fansite and Message Board: Go to www.marvelmasterworks.freeservers.com IP: Logged
Renaud B�dard New Member	posted April 25, 2002 09:22 PM Whether it's DC or Marvel Golden age first stories have to come out in collected quality hardcover editions and if Marvel had at the very least half the message board DC has been having for years we could let them know there,but I guess they just don't give a crap about what their fans have to say,and they call themselves the biggest comic book company,hey right! at least fans here have a voice,Thanks DC! ------------------ My SUPER HERO MOVIES fan site My HEROES & COMICS fan site -Bring back the originals DC characters Alan Scott as THE GREEN LANTERN,Jay Garrick as THE FLASH,James Corrigan as THE SPECTRE... -Requesting GOLDEN AGE DC ARCHIVES: SPECTRE,AQUAMAN,GREEN ARROW,HAWKMAN & Star-Spangled Kid + figure IP: Logged
superboy1988-92 Member	posted April 26, 2002 08:44 PM quote: Originally posted by positronic: Am I the only one here who preferred the old (formerly 'new', so let's just call it "2nd") Masterworks trade dress? It was more dynamic, less staid and stodgy, and really conveyed the exuberant spirit and bombastic qualities of 1960s Marvel Comics. Even though there were only 4 new volumes in the series (FF 6, Thor 3, Daredevil 2, X-Men 3) I bemoan its passing, all too soon. Worse, now I have no real confidence that Marvel will maintain any real overall design standard for years to come. If you think the Masterworks situation is bad, just look at how many line-wide design changes they've been through in their trade paperback program. Sheesh! I too loved the second MM series cover trade dress design from 1997-2001. I wasn't too thrilled when Marvel announced plans for another cover design. The second trade dress by ComiCraft was well made, and very colourful compared to the old MM series design. ComiCraft's design had a very 1960s retro look on the MM logo itself. The new third, trade dress wasn't too bad (more an updated version to the old MM look), but I still preferred the second trade dress instead. And as for Marvel's trade design for their TPB department, it's really noticeable especially at the book's spine where it reads "MARVEL" in red letters in a white rectangle. All new TPBs look like this now, and the new trade for the MM books also has the huge bold MARVEL logo at the spine. I just recently got myself a copy of the trade paperback Daredevil Visionaries: Frank Miller Volume 1. I was shocked to see that it had the new TPB look with the spine reading "MARVEL" in red letters in a white rectangle. I had remembered seeing this book not looking like this before. I checked the book's indicia and it registered that my copy was a second printing dated March, 2002. ------------------ "Guess this old body of mine is wearing a bit thin" -The first Doctor (played by William Hartnell) from BBC TV's Doctor Who "The Tenth Planet" episode 4 Original Transmission (United Kingdom): Saturday 8th October 1966 - Saturday 29th October 1966 IP: Logged
profh0011 Member	posted April 27, 2002 02:36 AM I prefer the "fun" Masterworks covers to the older "marble statue" covers. I also prefer each series listed separately, instead of trying to make them all part of a single numbering (as a stupid way of trying to psychologically "force" fans to buy them all). I also think the most recent ESSENTIAL volumes look a LOT better than the earlier ones. who was responsible for those earlier abortions of design? UGH! Terrible illustrations with ugly text running sideways. the newer ones have a lot more "personality". IP: Logged
positronic Member	posted April 27, 2002 10:58 AM I'm with you on that, profh0011. Damn, those early Essentials were ugly. And, I successfully resisted the temptation to buy any until they got around to Essential Spider-Man 3, and Essential Hulk 1. Then, I was hooked and started buying everything I didn't already have in the Masterworks format. Unless I miss my guess, the NEW Essentials trade dress looks like the work of Comicraft, too. What I don't understand is why Marvel would deep-six that look for the Masterworks trade dress, and then turn around and adopt an extremely similar look for the Essentials line. The overall look between the 2nd Masterworks design and the 2nd Essentials design looks very homogenous, and they don't look incongrous sitting next to each other on my shelf, although each line maintains its own distinct look. Both of those designs screamed "Classic Marvel" to me, as did the old (and now-defunct) "From the House of Ideas" and (to a somewhat lesser extent) "Marvel's Finest" trade paperback design motifs. On the other hand, now I'm going to have two radically-different Essentials designs, and three different (with two sort-of-similar) Masterworks designs, all clashing with each other on my bookshelf. Ghod, I'm becoming almost as persnickity, nit-pickety, and anal-retentive as India Ink (grin)... Sniff... I miss the old "Marvel POP ART Productions" corner boxes... IP: Logged
profh0011 Member	posted April 27, 2002 05:15 PM I'm just glad after all these years to be able to READ all these stories in sequence, instead of looking around all over the place for which ones were reprinted where. Of course, for some series, you still have to jump back-and-forth between Masterworks, Essentials, whatever, because som many characters' histories did that-- Hulk comes to mine. When I first read a reprint of AVENGERS #4, Rick Jones ponders what will happen when the Hulk finds out he's been "replaced"? I never knew until much later the answer originally came the very next month, in the pages of FANTASTIC FOUR! IP: Logged
NecessaryImpurity Member	posted April 29, 2002 05:06 PM Diamond says the Subby Masterworks will ship this week. See http://www.diamondcomics.com/shipping/shipping_050102.txt That's the first new addition to the Masterworks line under the new dress. IP: Logged
dylanfan Member	posted April 29, 2002 05:25 PM Sweeeeeeeeet....come on Subby! Come to Papa! ------------------ Visit the Marvel Masterworks fansite and Message Board: Go to www.marvelmasterworks.freeservers.com IP: Logged
KryptoSuperDog Member	posted April 29, 2002 05:26 PM quote: Originally posted by NecessaryImpurity: Diamond says the Subby Masterworks will ship this week. See http://www.diamondcomics.com/shipping/shipping_050102.txt That's the first new addition to the Masterworks line under the new dress. Yes, let's cross our fingers that it comes out on time. I'm not crazy about the fact that they feel they must reprint Fantastic Four #4 in that book, and wasting 25 pages on something most of us already have, but I still do want to read the book. IP: Logged

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