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Silver Age Adam Member |
posted October 03, 2002 04:46 PM
  
quote: So true!! I'm very lucky that a buddy of mine insisted on being a completionist and via Masterworks and Marvel's Greatest Comics has cobbled together the complete Kirby FF run which I am savoring right now. (He's got $$. I've got a wife. I'm reading his hard bought comics for free. That leaves me one up.) ------------------ Looking for GL merchandise? Visit www.emeralddawn.com Need a little reality after all this fantasy? Read about some real life heroes who won the Medal of Honor http://www.marinemedals.com/ IP: Logged |
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profh0011 Member |
posted October 04, 2002 02:06 AM
I feel the same way! I started out with MARVEL COLLECTOR'S ITEM CLASSICS, which became MARVEL'S GREATEST COMICS-- which I bought until they started trimming one OR MORE pages out of the stories! (I recently indexed my old Treasury Editions, and was disgusted to find some stories missing as many as 4 pages!) The MASTERWORKS were a blessing-- but soewhere along the way I missed one, and had to get an ESSENTIALS book JUST to be able to read a handful of issues! In the last several years I've been buying originals-- mostly the later ones that I never read, but I've also picked up a few I had for decades as reprints-- the difference in print quality is often staggering! So far, I haven't paid more than $20 for an issue of F.F.-- anything more just "wouldn't be right". (6 more episodes and I'll have the WHOLE Lee-Kirby run at last!!!) IP: Logged |
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NecessaryImpurity Member |
posted October 23, 2002 12:10 AM
Marvel's solicitations for January are out. See http://comics.toonzone.net/solicitations/2003-01/marvel.php A moment of silence, please. Our good friend and companion, The Marvel Masterworks, is missing and presumed dead. He was last seen in May, when "Avengers, V1" was re-issued. Come the end of January, 8 months will have passed since the last sighting. Friends, in our grief, we can only hope that another publisher steps forward to relieve us of our hard-earned cash. IP: Logged |
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slilley365 New Member |
posted October 23, 2002 12:45 AM
Wouldn't it be great if DC could buy up Marvel and give their Golden and Silver Age Comics the Archive treatment which they deserve? (Of course I know that this is never going to happen). IP: Logged |
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Scippio Member |
posted October 23, 2002 08:24 AM
I still have hope. Over on Joe Q's message board someone asked him when we would see some new Masterworks, and he said that there would be more new Masterworks in 2003. He didn't say what months or how many, but he did say that there would be some more. If we only get 5 new ones in 2003 like we got in 2002 I'll be happy. IP: Logged |
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Scippio Member |
posted November 11, 2002 02:17 PM
Some new news on the Masterworks front. Joe Q just posted over on his message board that Marvel is going back to pree on all 32 of the currently released Masterworks. Here are his exact words:
quote: This looks to me like we will be seeing all 32 in 2003 maybe even all at once. What do you all think of this??? IP: Logged |
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Marty Raap Member |
posted November 11, 2002 02:36 PM
My first reaction was to be thrilled. Like anything Marvel-related, though, there are a couple of caveats that come immediately to mind. One -- I'll only believe it when all 32 volumes are sitting in my hand and not crumbling apart before my eyes. Two -- I'm not at all sure about the idea of redesigning volumes (including actual content, apparently, and not just trade dress) and trying to force us into buying them next again. I'd probably only go along with that if I saw a strong commitment to producing a definitive Masterworks series that will extend indefinitely. IP: Logged |
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James Friel Member |
posted November 11, 2002 03:40 PM
I 'll stick with my set of first printings, unless they make some change so soignificant that it's a new book: adding more Hulk material to the undersized Hulk Masterworks, for instance, or enlarging the Doctor Strange volume to encompass all the Ditko. Wouldn't it be cool if they reissued them in the large hardcover size they're using for the new stuff? IP: Logged |
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profh0011 Member |
posted November 11, 2002 03:57 PM
You really hit a "sore" point there! The DR. STRANGE Masterwork was one of my favorites. The reprints I had before that were all over the place, and it was fantastic to finally have them all in one place, especially the "Defeat Of Dr. Strange" epic. But there was NO EXCUSE for not enlarging the book to include ALL the Ditko stories! The book ends on a CLIFFHANGER, for crying out loud! Also, if they went all the way up to "The End-- At Last!", they could THEN do a 2ND voluyme encompassing ALL of the remaining DS stories from STRANGE TALES-- from Everett to Severin to Tuska to Adkins. For the most part, this "2nd era" was one long, meandering, "epic"-- more like a daytime soap in its feel & structure, it just went on and on and on from one menace to another, never leaving you feeling satisfied-- until ST #168, with the finale of the "Yandroth" sequence. Those last few issues are some of my favorites, as, clearly inspired by Jim Steranko's wild page layout experiments, Dan Adkins decided to go nuts in hiw own fashion as well.
Put another way: wouldn't it be nice if fans didn't have to read the B&W "Essential" books in order to enjoy all the episodes in the proper sequence? IP: Logged |
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superboy1988-92 Member |
posted November 11, 2002 07:28 PM
quote: All 32 previously published volumes of Marvel Masterworks are going back to print? I'll believe it when I see it. At the rate Marvel doesn't seem to publish as many copies of any HC or TPB (hence their constant going back to press for a new printing), all 32 reprinted Masterworks may be snatched up before we actually get our hands on any of them (hence multiple printings again...). Well, at the rate Marvel has been putting out so many TPBs and HCs this past year, I sort of think that they can actually do this idea of all 32 Masterworks back in print (note I did say sort of). ------------------ IP: Logged |
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superboy1988-92 Member |
posted November 11, 2002 07:44 PM
quote: All 32 previously published volumes of Marvel Masterworks are going back to print? I'll believe it when I see it. At the rate Marvel doesn't seem to publish as many copies of any HC or TPB (hence their constant going back to press for a new printing), all 32 reprinted Masterworks may be snatched up before we actually get our hands on any of them (hence multiple printings again...). Well, at the rate Marvel has been putting out so many TPBs and HCs this past year, I sort of think that they can actually do this idea of all 32 Masterworks back in print (note I did say sort of). ------------------ IP: Logged |
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ScarletSpider Member |
posted November 11, 2002 07:53 PM
Marvel has been shopping around for a while now, the idea is to get all the Masterworks back in print at once that way it is going to be cheapper. I am not quite sure what kind of changes they are planing, in the reprints, but my bets are in the inking departments, the new Masterworks (last 5) were lower quality then the original 27 in both coloring and inking. Not to mention the DarDevil misspelling in The Sub-Mariner Volume. Personally I am not planing to rebuy them unless major changes are at hand such as extra material. In any case we should all be happy that Marvel is taking this aggressive action. Fans were dissapointed when Marvel, once more pulled a stop on The Masterworks. Fastracking all 32 volumes and improving quality is a sign that Marvel does care. It is possible that low quality was the reason Marvel did pull the stop in the first place. IP: Logged |
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trout New Member |
posted November 12, 2002 07:34 AM
Speaking as one who doesn't have more than a few of the Masterworks, it would be a dream come true if they reprinted them all. What is the feasibility of this actually happening? Judging from this board, there is a very active market for archived material. Although I realize the need to cultivate a young market, it seems Marvel is ignoring not only a large section of their fanbase, but a good source of income as well. All they have to do is reprint (or touch up) already archived material, right? Brian IP: Logged |
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ScarletSpider Member |
posted November 12, 2002 08:37 AM
I doubt Joe quesada would have reply my question with this announcement if it wasn't true. Come to see us onGormuu's marvel masterworks board for more infos and updates. http://pub52.ezboard.com/bmarvelmasterworksfansite IP: Logged |
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Scippio Member |
posted November 12, 2002 10:23 AM
I like the idea of the oversize reprints like the Ultimate books are getting. Even if it means rebuying the 5 books I already have. I'm just happy that I will finally be able to get the Fantastic Four volumes I've been wanting ever since Marvel relaunched the current version of the series. I'll definately be getting all of them minus the 5 I already have(unless they go to the oversize format). IP: Logged |
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dylanfan Member |
posted November 16, 2002 06:11 PM
Plot is getting thicker on the Masterworks Remasters. Check my message board linked below for the hubbub..... ------------------ IP: Logged |
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vze2 Member |
posted November 17, 2002 08:47 AM
I'm too lazy to create an account on the Masterworks board, so I'm posting this question here. Maybe I'll post it there later. When the original Masterworks were released, I knew I couldn't afford all of them, so I decided to skip FF, Spider-Man and X-Men to focus on Captain America, Hulk and other series that I thought would have fewer volumes. I knew that I'd always be able to pick up the big two later. Since the last Masterworks reboot, I've bought every volume, but I haven't opened any because I want to start with FF. I have a few volumes from the earlier reboot. Now let's assume that pigs fly and Marvel has actually "remasterd" (insert your favorite snide comment here) all 32 existing volumes. I seems to me that if Marvel is interested in behaving ethically, it would create some sort of trade-in program for any saleable copy of any existing Masterwork. Although this would certainly cut short-term profits, I think that it would be good for the overall health of the Masterwork program which has done its best to disenfranchise its best customers. I doubt that Marvel will do this. However, maybe Marvel would do a 1 for 2 trade-in of the 2000-present volumes. Buy a volume and you can trade in an existing volume for the remastered version. Is this a good idea? How possible is it? If it is possible, what is the best way for me to communicate with Marvel? IP: Logged |
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dylanfan Member |
posted November 17, 2002 09:49 AM
by the way, you don't have to register at the message board to post. Just click "reply" or "post" and you're on your way. As for the point you bring up...hmmm....in an ideal world, perhaps something like this would go down. I seriously doubt Marvel would do it. I wonder if any publishing company would do it. It sure would be nice, though. I mean, there'd have to be some sort of consumer issue at work here- for instance, Marvel created a product that was defective, and there was a public outcry about it. Normally, we're talking about can openers that do anything but open cans here, not books that reprint old comic books. People seemed happy enough with the old Masterworks- I mean, there was alot of bitching and moaning about every little detail, but I never heard of anyone demanding their money back. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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jape Member |
posted November 17, 2002 11:22 AM
I have to admit, I was idly speculating the other day on how a Masterworks trade-in might work for those fans with any of the previous three Masterworks designs. The best thing I could come up with was including a voucher (loose, not printed in, naturally) in new editions that would entitle the holder to trade in an old edition for a new printing. So, for every new Masterwork you bought Marvel would swap one of your old ones. Another way would be to 'register' everyone who would want to trade their old copies in before Marvel goes back to press, with a deadline for applications. That way they could set the print run, know exactly what their liability was, and budget accordingly. IP: Logged |
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NecessaryImpurity Member |
posted November 17, 2002 05:14 PM
The easiest way around those trade-in requests is to retire the Masterworks name and issue the stuff under a new brand. Then Marvel can say, "But these aren't Masterworks! You are comparing apples and oranges!". From a marketing point of view, if they are going change the contents of the volumes, it would be sheer stupidity to have the same name out there, confusing people. Which is why "Masterworks" will continue to be the name of the series. This is Marvel we're talkin' about! IP: Logged |
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James Friel Member |
posted November 17, 2002 05:36 PM
Not sure I follow the ethics argument here. I think Marvel would argue that improving and re-issuing what they regard as an already-good product places them over no obligation. Defective volumes should be returnable, of course, and pretty much are for the most part in the current system. Not that I wouldn't be annoyed--and feel torn--if they re-booted the Masterworks program completely, using the old name or a new one. But that's how we collectors are. IP: Logged |
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dylanfan Member |
posted November 17, 2002 09:32 PM
DC beat Marvel to the best name for their archival reprints series: DC Archives, natch. (Well, Marvel could have taken that tag, what with Masterworks being first on the scene.) I mean, not everything put between HC in this series of books can be legitimately called "Masterworks." Nor should they need be. As a comics collector, I want my Galactus Saga bound in HC just like I want The FF: The Buckler Years. That's cause I'm a comix fan... So not everything is going to be a Masterwork, nor will it be Essential. But it is Archive-able. If Marvel was going to rename their series, what should they go for? ------------------ IP: Logged |
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srca1941 Member |
posted November 18, 2002 12:01 AM
How about "The Marvel Reprint Until We Bleed Them Dry With 20 Different Trade Dress Series?" Too long? How about just "The Marvel Inferior Quality Reprint of Reprints Series?" Seriously, I hope Marvel will finally settle on a format and move forward so that I can start collecting them without wondering when the design of the books that I have will become obsolete. As for the Masterworks name, compare the stories in these volumes to some of them they're doing now, and they are ALL masterworks!!! Honestly, the only Marvel book I find myself willing to shell out money for these days is Ultimate Spider-Man. Even Geoff Johns (who's work I love) is failing to keep me interested in Avengers, the title that brought me over to Marvel in the first place after years of reading NOTHING but DC. -Slightly Bitter Steve ------------------ IP: Logged |
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NecessaryImpurity Member |
posted November 18, 2002 12:14 AM
I've mentioned it before, both here and on Gor- errrr... dylanfan's board: "The Complete Marvel". Imagine "The Complete Spider-Man, V1", "The Complete Fantastic Four, V1", etc. "Complete" denotes that same thouroughness we've come to expect from Archives and Masterworks, without overhyping the bad stories into "Masterworks". Another title they might use is something like "The History of Marvel", with individual volumes titled like "The History of Captain America, V1" and "The History of Thor, V1". That doesn't quite work, but maybe one of you can play with it and make it snappier. One thing they should stay away from is "The Early Marvel", with titles like "The Early Iron Man, V1". It begs the question: when does "early" end? And what follows "early"? IP: Logged |
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vze2 Member |
posted November 18, 2002 04:46 PM
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quote: I didn't really explain it. At some point, Marvel solicited for what is essentially FF volume 6. According to the product description that I had, the entire fate of the Masterworks line relied on the sales of this one volume. At this point, I didn't have any FF volumes. I had no desire to buy, much less read, vol. 6 until I bought vols. 1-5. However, if I want to see reprints of 1-5 or Cap 2 or Hulk 2 I needed pre-order vol. 6 to ensure that my retailer ordered enough copies. Implicit in this deal, in my opinion, is a commitment from Marvel to continue the Masterworks line in a consistent format, provided that sales are acceptable. Also, the content should be at an acceptable quality level. I upheld my part of the deal. Since we have seen more Masterworks, I believe that Marvel considered our end of the deal as completed. As far as consistent format is concerned, Marvel has not upheld its part of the deal at least once, probably twice. If you accept that Marvel implicitly agreed to a consistent format (I'm absolutley positive that Marvel does not accept this), then Marvel broke the unwritten contract and owes the other side, the readers, some sort of compensation. I don't know how they did on quality. I've flipped through the FF volume and it looks fine to me. I haven't opened the more recent volumes. I've read at least Captain America, Hulk, and Daredevil from the original 27 and didn't have any complaints. However, I've heard many complaints about reproduction quality. I don't know exactly what Marvel means by "remastering." Since there isn't any new breakthrough in comic reproduction technology that I know of, doesn't remastering imply a defective product? Since I've only read a few of these, I'm in no position to judge. Since they use the term "remaster", here's an example from the CD industry. Let's say its 1986 and I buy every Beatles CD. Now its 2002 and every Beatles CD is remastered using the latest technology. That's fair play. But let's say its 2001 and half of the Beatles CDs are released in "The Definitive Collection." For no apparent reason, they stop and in 2002 release "The Beatle Remasters." Unless the owner changed, I'd say that Capitol (or whoever it is) owes something to the fans who bought "The Definitive Collection." New point: I can't speak for others, but this is what I think I will do. Marvel reissues the 32, I pre-order none. I buy none when they arrive in the store. If the program dies, I will probably slowly pick up the volumes that I don't have. If Marvel produces new volumes, I pre-oder none. When they arrive in the store, I buy none. If Marvel ever reaches the point where I can buy a series in a consistent format (for example the entire Kirby FF or Ditko Spider-Man), then I buy every volume I don't have. I'm not sure if I'll replace the volumes I have or not. However, if Marvel does offer any kind of decent deal (someone on the Marvel board suggested selling them really cheap, $30 I think), then I will pre-order at least one a month, if offered. Just to summarize: IP: Logged |
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