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Marty Raap Member |
posted March 12, 2002 02:49 AM
 
I agree with dylanfan's positive view of the re-release of the Masterworks. (Of course, he IS the Masterworks expert, and you have to respect a Dylan fan just on general principle.) I should say, I agree with Marvel's current approach provided they end up sticking with it over the long term. I understand why people are frustrated about getting the older volumes again, and Marvel's got to rebuild some public trust in the series now. But if there's a solid long-term commitment in place, the best way to rebuild is from the ground up. Spider-Man #1 has got to be available before you get to #2 and, as dylanfan says, they'll get to all the re-releases in time if people stay patient with the line. The plan would only fail, in my view, if Marvel lets the whole line collapse prematurely and they never get around to re-releasing those older volumes that currently go for insane prices on ebay. (Who's paying $300 for MM #21? I mean, I'd like to own an original copy too, to complete my set in the first trade dress, but right now I'm definitely hoping #21 will get re-released at some point. Either the prices for the original will fall or I'll buy the re-release and just have an imperfect original run.) It seems like the vision Marvel has now is to eventually have a line with all books in print, structured similarly to the Archives in numbering the books by character, and I completely support that. I just hope they stick with it through this initial period, when I suspect sales will be low on the first batch of re-releases which are still very common. I've been worried lately with the delays of Spider-Man and the Fantastic Four (which I believe was announced for February?), because I don't want the experiment to fail before it's given a fair chance. But surely Marvel anticipated slow sales for these volumes when they started the reissues? And I would think costs on those volumes would have to be less, as they've already been created, so maybe they'll even be profitable with fewer sales than the newer volumes. If nothing else, if they keep the volumes in print, they should recover cost over time (it's just a question of how much time). We've seen the Archives can work; I see no reason why a similar Masterworks program can't work. So I think there's good reason to be optimistic about Marvel's current approach as long as they persevere in it! I won't buy the re-releases of volumes I already own, but I'll certainly buy all new volumes as they come out to support the fledgling line. And, as I indicated above, I may well buy some of those older re-releases when they get to those, to cover holes in my first edition collection. IP: Logged |
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James Friel Member |
posted March 12, 2002 03:51 AM
I guess I can't understand why anyone would object to Marvel's re-issuing the out-of-print volumes--after all, it's pretty much pointless to have an archival reprinting program if it doesn't keep the material constantly available. The whole point is to have everything important in print all the time. Getting back to that state of affairs will obviously take a while. As far as the pace goes, surely everyone here knows that Marvel is emerging slowly and painfully from a years-long period of teetering on the brink of financial oblivion--the money to do this before simply wasn't there. We're incredibly lucky to have this line reactivated at all--frankly, I'd given up on it when the FF #51-60 volume was announced. IP: Logged |
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dylanfan Member |
posted March 12, 2002 10:44 AM
quote: And there's where they cannot fail. At the very least, this program MUST deliver the goods on the first 27 (then 31) Masterworks that have fallen out of print. They simply must. There is no alternative. Especially if they start going ahead of the pack to release Spidey Vol. 6 or FF Vol. 7. The ramifications of them not doing so are to dire and bloody for me to imagine. ------------------ Visit the Marvel Masterworks Message Board: http://pub52.ezboard.com/fmarvelmasterworksfansitefrm1 IP: Logged |
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GL28142001 Member |
posted March 12, 2002 12:08 PM
Hey guys I am going to need your help with my new investment into Marvel Masterworks. I want to start off with the Uncanny X-men vols. so should I buy now or wait. I would like to see them have the same cover design and not something different from each other. I heard about the X-men vol. 1 being rereleased, so does that mean it will have the new design? What about vol. 3 (22-31) does that have the same design as vol.1? When will vol. 2 be released? If you could give me some tips that would be great. Thanks! IP: Logged |
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dylanfan Member |
posted March 12, 2002 12:25 PM
quote: OK, if you want to jump on the new Masterworks design bandwagon (which we all hope will be the last version!) the new X-Men Masterworks Vol. 1 comes out this month! I have it linked from my site to amazon for $34.95. There is no word yet on when the new series will get around to reprinting Vol. 2 (#11-21) but it is out of print in any case, and you can find it on ebay for $60-100 or so. Best advice? Wait. And finally, the third volume of X-Men (#22-31). This one will, if all things go right, one day be reprinted with the new design format. Until then, it is still available in the "new art" dustjacket for prices as low as $34.95 at amazon. So if you don't want to wait, it is still within your power to get one today. ------------------ Visit the Marvel Masterworks Message Board: http://pub52.ezboard.com/fmarvelmasterworksfansitefrm1 IP: Logged |
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Ralph Kramden Member |
posted March 12, 2002 07:18 PM
quote: I only own the X-Men 11 thru 21 issue and the Journey into Mystery:Mighty Thor 83 thru 100 issue volume, so I "will" be buying any of the new releaces they put out. IP: Logged |
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profh0011 Member |
posted March 12, 2002 10:38 PM
In the last couple years, I managed to get ahold of some late-60's IRON MANs, mostly for "reasonable" prices. But I wouldn't mind a 2nd or 3rd Masterworks for I.M. I have nearly all the early SUSPENSE issues with I.M. (only missing a few) and ALL of the Gene Colan issues. It's the George Tuskas and on up where my collection has gaping holes. And unfortunately, with the back-issue market gone so INSANE in the last 10 years, prices of these tend to be REDICULOUS. My comic-shop owner tells me it's "supply & demand" and such, but that demand is based on fans of LATER runs of the book, I feel; 2 runs by Michelinie & Layton & the recent one by Busiek & Chen (which I thought blew M&L completely away!!). The Heck & Colan issues are great, wonderful comics-- but the Goodwin-Tuskas-- EHH!!! And I've seen these things selling for like $80 apiece!! For a GEORGE TUSKA Iron Man??? I can't imagine the prices being like that if these things had EVER been reprinted!!! (Almost none of them ever have!!) IP: Logged |
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dylanfan Member |
posted March 13, 2002 11:36 AM
At the Marvel Masterworks Message Board, a poster has given personal confirmation of a sighting of the new Spider-Man Masterworks Vol. 1 in the new trade dress. It's 7 weeks late, but it's out now. No more mystery! Today is a good day- the third and final (we hope) Masterworks are here!!! ------------------ Visit the Marvel Masterworks Message Board: http://pub52.ezboard.com/fmarvelmasterworksfansitefrm1 IP: Logged |
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NecessaryImpurity Member |
posted March 13, 2002 12:43 PM
Third time's the charm, dylanfan! IP: Logged |
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Ralph Kramden Member |
posted March 14, 2002 08:43 PM
I picked up Amazing Spider-Man Masterwork today. The new design is very well done and makes the book look more classy. The inside reproduction was very clean and clear to me. I will be buying the The Sub-Mariner Masterworks when it's released and any other in the future. Now I have 4 books I am currently reading Amazing Spider-Man Masterworks vol.1 Justice League Of America D C A rchives vol.2 Wonder Woman Golden Age D C Archives vol.2 Doom Patrol D C Archives vol.1 God...... It's amazing how personal these old stories are. Over the past 20 years, the charictors in comics have become less and less "real". I remeber when I was young and would read Captain America or Flash, the charictors came to life in my minds eye as I read those stories. IP: Logged |
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DK2 Member |
posted March 14, 2002 10:10 PM
In the current edition of the Previews catalog (March 2002, for stuff coming out in May), if you check the Marvel Comics TPB and HC backlist section (pages 187-190), in the X-Men books listing, on that list it still says that Marvel Masterworks No. 3: X-Men is still available to order at $34.95 US with this Star System number STAR06348. I believe this is the first X-Men volume that reprints issues #1-10. Can anyone tell me if this printing is still available to order, or is this listing now incorrect? With Marvel's recent problems of not updating their backlist for many months last year, until recent months, they have finally started to update their backlist of TPBs and hardcovers. Yet, they still list that first X-Men Masterworks volume as available. Can anyone confirm me if this edition is still available to get (or has placed an order for it and received it recently) or should I wait for the new printing that is coming out? Cheaper cover price is better than anything else (especially Canada's prices). IP: Logged |
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dylanfan Member |
posted March 15, 2002 12:38 AM
I have no idea why it would still be available, but it appears that it might be. Amazon has it stocked and selling right now. The new trade dress version is weeks away from being released- you may regret one day getting the old version if you are compiling a nice library of the new ones. Or, you may not! Check my site for links to the amazon pages to see the books. ------------------ Visit the Marvel Masterworks Message Board: http://pub52.ezboard.com/fmarvelmasterworksfansitefrm1 IP: Logged |
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DK2 Member |
posted March 15, 2002 01:43 AM
quote: dylanfan, It doesn't really matter to me how my Masterworks library collection looks like anyway. I mean, Marvel Comics themselves ruined this already by making three cover trade dresses! I never had a problem with the second series trade dress design. I thought it looked very colourful, and with a "retro" like look as in the MM logo itself. Now there's the new, third trade dress design Marvel's created. The changes the MM series has gone through cover design wise...! IP: Logged |
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James Friel Member |
posted March 19, 2002 04:26 PM
I think they got it right this time. I like the new design much better than either the baroque or the pop-art approach--especially the spine, which is readable easily at a distance but doesn't scream "Hey! I'm a big ol' comic book!". IP: Logged |
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Ralph Kramden Member |
posted March 19, 2002 04:46 PM
How is that expression? You have only your self too blame? I wish Marvel would release all thier major comics from the 1960's in Masterwork form.That has been my constant wish. Now they are issuing Masterworks again, and now it is time for me to step up too the plate. I can't wait a year or two too see if they are commited. I have too be commited. Because if I don't support them, and they stop producing Masterworks, then what good would it do for me to complain and boast about my saving a few hundread dollars? I purchased Amazing Spider-Man Masterworks last week and am injoying it very much. I will be buying the Sub-Mariner, X-Men, and Ironamn when they arrive. I passed up picking up Amazing Spider-Man for $35 or Fantastic Four because I wanted to focus on the new editions. Not only do I whant the new designs, but I feel I must support the new releaces if I hope to one day see a Amazing Spider-Man Masterworks vol.13 with the death of Gwenn Stacey and introduction of the Punisher. Or a Defenders Masterworks. Being cheap is O.K. for those who have no real interest in the Marvel Silver Age, but I am very interested, so I can not afford to be cheap. P.S. When I say cheap. I am not referring to saving money on a new Masterwork like at Amazon.Com I am talking about those who wait a fe wyears and then boast about picking up Amazing Spider-Man Masterworks on EBAY for $15 IP: Logged |
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Carlo Member |
posted March 19, 2002 05:19 PM
Westfield Comics has back-issues available. perhaps they may have some of those Archives/Masterworks around some of you may be looking for... might be worldsofwestfield.com or something hope this can help... best... IP: Logged |
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NecessaryImpurity Member |
posted March 25, 2002 08:32 PM
Well, I see that Diamond says there won't be an "X-Men, Vol 1" this week. Who's surprised by that? I saw the new "Spider-Man, Vol 1" this weekend. It exists! I'll be picking that up in within the month. Then I'll be able to contribute to dylanfan's message board. My Marvel knowledge is paltry; out of 10K comics, I doubt I have as many as 50 Marvels. As luck would have it, one of them is the Spider-Man with the death of the Green Goblin from the early 70s. IP: Logged |
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Bishop Bobby Member |
posted March 25, 2002 09:44 PM
I so agree with you, Ralph, that the old comics had soul & spirit to them. One of the reasons I quit buying Batman & Superman comics a year ago was that they could not tell a story in a single issue and stay within the same series title for the storyline. How in the world could they ever collect these titles in an Archive format someday when a single story takes a year to tell and bounces between a half dozen different titles. No thanks. Ah, but arent the Masterworks & Archives grand!!! IP: Logged |
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NecessaryImpurity Member |
posted March 27, 2002 09:54 PM
Marvel's solicitations for June say "Spider-Man, Vol 2" will be out. Look for it just in time for Labor Day.  See http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0203/27/marvel.htm IP: Logged |
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KryptoSuperDog Member |
posted March 27, 2002 11:41 PM
Just me, chiming in with a few things: I almost wouldn't worry about Marvel being able to reprint all the original 27 Masterworks. The fact is, all the art repro and coloring is already done. That means they don't have to make as much a profit margin. Also keep in mind, that the books cost $15 more than before. That adds to their profit. This is pretty important, since they will likely sell fewer copies of each volume, than were sold in the 80s and 90s. Thirdly, the reprints of the last few volumes will probably sell very very well, since the print run was reduced in the last couple years of the program (that's why some of those later volumes go for so dang much on eBay). Lastly, there's been quite a few people who complain that they "have to" buy the new versions, because of the new trade dress, or whatever reason. Well, if they already have the first editions, I don't see why they'd bother. Let's see...27 volumes x $50...that's $1350 to spend on stuff they already have. Pretty weird. I ain't doin' it! IP: Logged |
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James Friel Member |
posted March 28, 2002 12:21 AM
quote: And for those who care about such things (I don't particularly, but it's nice to know anyway), there is beginning to be a small but growing market for first editions of graphic novels and collections, just as there is for other books. IP: Logged |
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profh0011 Member |
posted March 28, 2002 02:06 AM
It always bugged me that Marvel had this attitude with putting every Masterworks in a single numbering so you "had" to buy them all. It made it very confusing to file things. Did anyone really ever file their Masterworks on a shelf by number? (Vol.1, 2, 3, 4,...) I always had 'em by title-- so it was F.F. (Vol.2, 6, 13... ANYONE should be able to see how stupid that was!) It was like, whatever Marvel & DC did, usually at the same time, DC always seemed to do with more class & style. Maybe they should just offer new dustcovers for those old Volumes? (heehee) I know several old volumes I missed (money restrictions, etc.) I'm still wanting to get ahold of, old copies or new reprints. But more, I'm looking forward to NEW volumes they haven't done yet. For instance, I'm not getting IRON MAN Vol.2-- because I have ALL the originals!! (I was missing ONE for all these years-- and a friend GAVE it to me as a Christmas present last year!) But I am looking forward to IRON MAN Vol.3-- the 2nd-rate (3rd-rate?) Archie Goodwin-George Tuska run. Why? They've NEVER been reprinted!!! (This is the only explanation I can come up with for thos eparticular issues being so insanely high-priced these days...) IP: Logged |
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Renaud Bédard New Member |
posted April 02, 2002 12:37 AM
I prefer the quality of DC archive a leather hardcover feel Unfortunately they are more expensive but HEY! you only live once ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Renaud Bédard New Member |
posted April 02, 2002 12:45 AM
and since Marvel Masterworks stuff seems to be tolerated at DC here's my top Marvel Masterworks wish list -Iron Man 1(first appearance) ------------------ IP: Logged |
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profh0011 Member |
posted April 02, 2002 04:23 PM
You might wanna keep yer eyes peeled anywhere that sells old or used books-- the IRON MAN Vol.1 and Golden Age CAPTAIN AMERICA Vol.1 & 2 (it was a box set) were both put out about 10 years ago. Gems of my collection! I'd been wanting an ANT MAN Vol.1 but now that I'm readng the ESSENTIAL ANT-MAN Vol.1 I'm not in such a hurry to pay more moeny for stories I already have (color or not). My top picks for Marvel books would be Golden Age SUB-MARINER (done like the WONDER WOMAN books-- every story from whatever magazine, in chronological order!) and IRON MAN Vol.3-- because with very few exceptions, these have NEVER been reprinted!! IP: Logged |
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