posted April 11, 2003 01:10 PM               

Hey, I'm a huge Kamandi Fan and I'd like to see your cover!!

Please send it to tocoelho99@netcabo.pt

My best regards,

Tocoelho

posted April 16, 2003 02:47 PM            

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Originally posted by quincyjb:

A while back, someone was kind enough to post a summary of one of the B&B Batman/Kamandi teamups.

Could anyone provide a summary for the DCCP Superman/Kamandi meeting? I just read an issue of Kamandi involving Superman's uniform, and it's obvious Kamandi has some historical knowledge of him.

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A fair question. Owen or one of you know it alls - can you give us a list of Kamandi appearances that were not included in Owen's map?

posted May 11, 2003 01:12 AM            

I don't remember ever seeing it when it orginally aired, but it has a post-disaster setting, and concept designs by Kirby and Alex Toth.

posted May 11, 2003 02:09 PM               

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Originally posted by Kamandi Last Boy on Earth:
Okay, I admit this is a bump. But in Kirby/Kamandi related news, I have just traded for tapes of the animated series Thundarr the Barbarian.

I don't remember ever seeing it when it orginally aired, but it has a post-disaster setting, and concept designs by Kirby and Alex Toth.

I'm looking foward to viewing this Time Capsule (<=Kamandi reference) from the 1980's.

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Ughh! Thundarr! I remember how much I hated that cartoon when I was a kid. Of course at the time I didn't know it was Kirby, I just knew it looked like those comics I didn't like.

I have to admit that I didn't start appreciating Kirby until I was around 25 years old, when I got over being a earnest adolescent. As a child of the late 70's early 80's Kirby always meant weird unrealistic art, unattractive women and even worse stories. The one exception was the Silver Surfer Graphic novel which my father bought me when I was very young -- which I loved.

posted May 12, 2003 02:31 PM               

And I agree, Joe P, his "women" were horrid.

James Friel suggests that Kirby perhaps needed some editorial control at DC. I always thought of his DC work as a parody of his vintage Marvel stuff. As a kiddy of that era, I couldn't understand how the work of someone I enjoyed so much through 63-69 or so, could be so unattractive to my eyes a few years later. I dunno. Maybe I just wasn't used to him drawing DC characters.

Still the "King" in my eyes, but I'll pass on most of his DC work...

posted May 12, 2003 04:10 PM            

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Originally posted by James Friel:
Infantino and Gil Kane were more my speed at the time. I was more ready for him when 1961 rolled around and Fantastic Four and The Hulk and the other early Marvel books hit the stands.
I took a while to warm up to Ditko too.

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I wasn't around for the "early Marvel Age" and his other DC efforts never impressed me.
I've been keen on Kamandi since I first collected it in the 70's. Lately I've been reading the Marvel Essentials collecting the early Thor and Fantastic Four. In my experience most Kirby-ophiles like Kamandi, and many readers who can't usually stomach Kirby's art find Kamandi interesting. For me, his funky weird style suits the After Disaster setting in a way it never seemed to work for 20th century comics.

I still don't like Ditko - everyone's head should NOT be shaped like an egg!

posted May 12, 2003 04:31 PM            

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Originally posted by James Friel:
The whole conceit of dozens of different species having evolved intelligence (and their societies all being so damned human-like) seemed too much.

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posted May 12, 2003 05:07 PM               

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Originally posted by outpost2:
I never understood how, in the course of one or two generations, they built up these huge civilzations and yet had no knowledge of their earlier savage state.

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Was it stated in Kamandi that his Grandfather was Buddy Blank, and the same Buddy Blank from the OMAC series? Did he age slowly, perhaps? Or was that relationship, and Buddy being Superman's descendant, retconned in later?

As far as the animals go, I always assumed it was like in Planet of the Apes movies -- a willful ignorance of the past. The first generation of intelligent animals were so upset by the memories of humans that they simply lied to their offspring. And because survival was more important than history, no one really challenged that view point.

posted May 12, 2003 05:30 PM            

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Originally posted by bob_r:
Was it stated in Kamandi that his Grandfather was Buddy Blank, and the same Buddy Blank from the OMAC series?

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Yes, IIRC it was issue #50.

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Originally posted by bob_r:
Or was that relationship, and Buddy being Superman's descendant, retconned in later?

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posted May 12, 2003 09:13 PM            

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Originally posted by outpost2:
Huh? There was never any connection made between Buddy and Superman. Where did you hear that?

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Not in the original Kamandi. John Byrne's Generations may be another story....
But that's not part of the main Earth AD timeline.

Some people seem to have trouble believing Kirby explicitly tied OMAC and Kamandi together - but he did. OMAC IS KAMANDI's Grandfather. It's not a vague allusion or an alternate timeline or an "imaginary story". Brother Eye evolves Kamandi into OMAC briefly. I never cared much for OMAC, but it's definitely a prequel to the Great Disaster.

posted May 12, 2003 11:33 PM            

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Originally posted by Kamandi Last Boy on Earth:
Some people seem to have trouble believing Kirby explicitly tied OMAC and Kamandi together - but he did. OMAC IS KAMANDI's Grandfather. It's not a vague allusion or an alternate timeline or an "imaginary story". Brother Eye evolves Kamandi into OMAC briefly. I never cared much for OMAC, but it's definitely a prequel to the Great Disaster.

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Actually, Kirby was long gone from the title when that revelation was made. It was issue #50. Jack C. Harris was the editor, Denny O'Neil the writer, and Dick Ayers the penciller. However, it is still part of Kamandi's "official" continuity.

posted May 13, 2003 12:07 AM            

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Originally posted by outpost2:
Actually, Kirby was long gone from the title when that revelation was made.

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True, though I always assumed they were following some kind of plan bequeathed to them by "the King". Was Jack Kirby still creating OMAC when Kamandi 50 came out? If not, why the heck would the DC editors bother with a tie in to a failed 10 issue series, unless there was some over-arching plan? I always wondered....