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NecessaryImpurity
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posted December 17, 2002 03:04 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NecessaryImpurity        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Donna Troy Fan:
And I know of 3 others for next year.

Hey, DTF! Have your 3 been revealed? You posted this on page 1 of this thread.

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James Friel
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posted December 17, 2002 04:20 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
I believe that Bob G. said somewhere that he wasn't counting Neal Adams Batman in his 20.

On the other hand, with THUNDER 3 in May, I'd say that vol.4 by December seems overwhelmingly likely unless the series bombs.

For the remaining two, I'm sticking with GA Hawkman, but the product description for Spectre (just over 200 pages) makes me now think that the oversize volume we've been told to expect will in fact be Supergirl 2. Not my choice (I would have preferred almost any other SA series in fact), but them's the breaks....

This would give us two Super-titles and two Bat-titles (plus the Adams) in the same year. If we were getting 18 or 20 DCU Archives, I'd be all for that, but out of a probable 13, this seems excessive.

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posted December 18, 2002 02:43 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for segaboi24        Reply w/Quote
not to be nitpicky james,but i think you mean t.h.u.n.d.e.r agents volume 2 for may not volume 3,as volume 1 is only now just about to be released.

on the subject of archives,i really need to build up a collection.i'll be re-starting again with aquaman archives in january

Jess

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James Friel
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posted December 18, 2002 05:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
Yep, you're right.

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posted January 05, 2003 04:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for BearPaws        Reply w/Quote
Ka-bump

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NecessaryImpurity
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posted January 08, 2003 04:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NecessaryImpurity        Reply w/Quote
What we know, as of Jan 8 '03, including some of Bob Greenberger's vague hints:

Scheduled and solicited:

December 2002
T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents Archives, V1 (Dec 4th, finally shipped Jan 8th)

January 2003
Aquaman (Silver Age) Archives, V1 (Jan 22nd)

February 2003
Batman: The Dynamic Duo Archives, V1 (Feb 12th)

March 2003
Golden Age Spectre Archives, V1 (Mar 12th)


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Announced, roughly scheduled, but unsolicited:

April 2003
Spirit Archives, V10 (announced Nov 26 '02, exact date TBA)

May 2003
T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents Archives, V2 (announced Nov 26 '02, exact date TBA)

2nd Quarter 2003
Challengers of the Unknown Archives, V1 (announced Nov 10 '02, exact date TBA)

Justice League of America Archives, V8 (mentioned by Bob Greenberger in the thread Questions for Bob Greenberger, his post of Jan 7 '03)


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Announced but unscheduled

Legion of Super-Heroes Archives, V12 (mentioned by Bob Greenberger in the thread Legion Archives Vol. 12, post of July 23 '02)

unidentified GA Batman volume (mentioned by Bob Greenberger in the thread Questions for Bob Greenberger, post of Oct 31)

unidentified GA Superman volume (same Bob Greenberger post as GA Batman)

Challengers of the Unknown Archives, V2 (announced Nov 10 '02, exact date TBA; mentioned by Bob Greenberger in the thread Questions for Bob Greenberger, post of Nov 19 as not being issued in 2003)

Superboy (Golden Age) Archives, V1 (announced in 2001, mentioned by Bob Greenberger in the thread Questions for Bob Greengerger, post of Dec 12 '02, as being "off the schedule and ... return[ing] as soon as possible")

Shazam! Archives, V4 (mentioned by Bob Greenberger in the thread Questions for Bob Greengerger, post of Jan 7 '03: "Shazam! will continue although Vol. 4 is not on a schedule as of today." Seems like DC intends to continue the line, but when is another matter)


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Expected, but neither announced nor scheduled
Spirit Archives, V11 (should appear in Aug '03)
Spirit Archives, V12 (should appear in Dec '03)

Tor Archives, V3 (should appear in 3rd Quarter '03)

Mad Archives, V2 (should appear in 2nd or 3rd Quarter '03)

T.H.U.N.D.E.R. Agents Archives, V3 (should appear in 4th Quarter '03)

All-Star Archives, V9 (any time)

Plastic Man Archives, V5 (4th Quarter '03)


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Work has been reported by non-DC sources, but no other info available
New Teen Titans Archives, V2 (mentioned by Marv Wolfman in e-mail posted here)


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Vague hints by Bob Greenberger of possible Archives to come
Jimmy Olsen by Jack Kirby (likely to be in a different format)

Stuff by Simon and Kirby; Sandman, Manhunter, Boy Commandos, Newsboy Legion etc. are possibilities (Post of Jan 8 '03)

Another Doom Patrol volume; might be more of Morrison's stuff, not an Archive. (Post of Jan 7 '03)


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Stuff that isn't a candidate for Archiving right now, according to Bob Greenberger
Swamp Thing, because the TPBs are in print (Post of Jan 7 '03)

Golden Age work that isn't feasible with current restoration technology, which butchers fine line work by certain artists, including Mac Raboy and Lou Fine. Affects Captain Marvel, Jr., The Ray, The Black Condor, Doll Man, Bulletman, others (Post of Jan 8 '03)


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All other volumes are unknown at this time. This includes any other new #1s and additional volumes to existing series not mentioned above.

Please make corrections and additions if you know them.

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vze2
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posted January 08, 2003 04:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for vze2        Reply w/Quote
I'm actually happy about Bob's comments about Raboy and Fine. This tells me that when the technology catches up, these Archives will be high priorities. Of course I might be reading too much into this.

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posted January 08, 2003 05:26 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Mike Falcon   Click Here to Email Mike Falcon        Reply w/Quote
Marv Wolfman announced he was writing the introduction to a second volume of the New Teen Titans Archives.

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ActionFigureMaker
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posted January 11, 2003 03:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for ActionFigureMaker   Click Here to Email ActionFigureMaker        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NecessaryImpurity:

Shazam! Archives, V4 (mentioned by Bob Greenberger in the thread Questions for Bob Greengerger, post of Jan 7 '03: "Shazam! will continue although Vol. 4 is not on a schedule as of today." Seems like DC intends to continue the line, but when is another matter)

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Volume 4? Is that a typo, or was there a Volume 3 that I missed?

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James Friel
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posted January 11, 2003 06:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
Shazam! vol.3 came out in November.

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posted January 12, 2003 06:53 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for ActionFigureMaker   Click Here to Email ActionFigureMaker        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by James Friel:
Shazam! vol.3 came out in November.

Dang! Thanks, I missed that. Have to put it on my must-get list!

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Rob Staeger
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posted January 13, 2003 12:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Rob Staeger   Click Here to Email Rob Staeger        Reply w/Quote
Should the mysterious 256-age archive be included in the "upcoming but unspecified" portion of the list? Bob's confirmed it twice now. Speculation is that it's Supergirl v.2, but there've been no official hits regarding content other than the page count has expanded to finish a story.

Rob

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NecessaryImpurity
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posted January 13, 2003 02:13 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NecessaryImpurity        Reply w/Quote
I don't see a reason to include it. Most people are interested in specifics, and the 256-pager is just guesswork. For the same reason, I'm not going to include the mystery volume that prompted the Brave and Bold question, even though I'm pretty confident we know it is one of 3 possibilities.

As Bob doles out his hints and clues, I will include them if a specific series is named, but not otherwise. Everyone else is free to add their own posts to this thread or start another thread.

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KryptoSuperDog
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posted January 13, 2003 02:20 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KryptoSuperDog        Reply w/Quote
It was announced recently that there will be a tpb of New Teen Titans "Judas Contract" storyline. Perhaps Marv wrote the forward to that??

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NecessaryImpurity
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posted January 13, 2003 02:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NecessaryImpurity        Reply w/Quote
Looking at the existing list of "Vague Hints", the mention of Simon & Kirby material would like to be in the same vein as the B&B candidates, but I think it's actually a bit more specific. Bob said: "Simon & Kirby's work is definitely on our To Do list." which sounds more definite than his comment in the B&B thread, "...and should we get to some of these volumes in 2003, it's worth having the opinions recorded."

I'd almost say the B&B question is laying groundwork for then annual meeting this spring, whereas the S&K material is already in the pipeline (beginning with Challengers). How does everyone else read that?

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James Friel
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posted January 13, 2003 02:41 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NecessaryImpurity:
...I'd almost say the B&B question is laying groundwork for then annual meeting this spring, whereas the S&K material is already in the pipeline (beginning with Challengers). How does everyone else read that?

I'm now reminded of the statement by Mark Evanier that he's working on introductions to three Kirby projects.

Maybe it's Challengers vol.1, the more-than-hinted at Kirby Jimmy Olsen volume, and a Simon & Kirby book?

But what Simon & Kirby book?
I think the S&K Sandman will be saved to appear in its proper order in the Sandman Archives.
Manhunter is a bit light for an archive-sized volume.
Newsboy Legion would be my preference, but...
Boy Commandos is probably more likely.
What else is there?
Does anyone know if DC has the rights to Young Romance, Black Magic, or Justice Traps the Guilty? I could be very enthusiastic about any of them.

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posted January 13, 2003 02:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for NecessaryImpurity        Reply w/Quote
You'd think that DC has the rights to all the non-DC issues of Young Love and Young Romance. But who knows?

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James Friel
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posted January 13, 2003 04:12 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NecessaryImpurity:
...I'd almost say the B&B question is laying groundwork for then annual meeting this spring, whereas the S&K material is already in the pipeline (beginning with Challengers). How does everyone else read that?

I think that's the most likely correct reading. But playing devil's advocate for a moment--

My guess is that the decisions of what titles to do are made at the meeting, but I'd imagine that precisely what stories to include would be more the province of the editor. Still, it's always good to have an answer ready if a question is asked.

As for the S&K material actually being in the pipeline, Bob's remarks are always very careful and often ambiguous--I think when he says something is on their "to do list", he might mean that it's been in principle decided to publish it, but nothing more specific has been done, not even fixing a year of publication.

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posted January 13, 2003 05:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for vze2        Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure that I would have included anything that you have in the vague hints category. However, I think that you are right to make the distinction between the three you have listed and B&B.

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posted January 13, 2003 05:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for positronic   Click Here to Email positronic        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by James Friel:
Manhunter is a bit light for an archive-sized volume.

That would be true if the book was collecting just the Simon & Kirby stories, but wasn't there a non-costumed Manhunter feature in ADVENTURE before S&K revamped it into a superhero strip?

It's also been speculated that DC might consider combining the Golden Age S&K Manhunter stories with the '70s Goodwin/Simonson Manhunter from DETECTIVE, and/or Kirby's own FIRST ISSUE SPECIAL revamp of the Manhunter character.

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posted January 16, 2003 08:40 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Amentep   Click Here to Email Amentep        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by positronic:
That would be true if the book was collecting just the Simon & Kirby stories, but wasn't there a non-costumed Manhunter feature in ADVENTURE before S&K revamped it into a superhero strip?

It's also been speculated that DC might consider combining the Golden Age S&K Manhunter stories with the '70s Goodwin/Simonson Manhunter from DETECTIVE, and/or Kirby's own FIRST ISSUE SPECIAL revamp of the Manhunter character.


Heh...they could do a golden age Manhunter 2-for-1 deal, and reprint DC and Quality Comics' Manhunter characters.

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NecessaryImpurity
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posted January 21, 2003 12:46 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NecessaryImpurity        Reply w/Quote
I'll update this with the Legion and Spirit info tomorrow, after we have proof that Aquaman showed up on time.

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James Friel
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posted January 21, 2003 01:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
With LSH 12 scheduled for April, and Challengers 1 for "second quarter 2003" and JLA 8 for "spring", it looks as if the schedule is very Silver-and-Bronze-heavy until June. Five to one, in fact.

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posted January 21, 2003 01:33 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NecessaryImpurity        Reply w/Quote
Bob said that All-Star had fallen into a regular rhythm, so I'll bet we get another edition in July.

If you look at least year, it went
Gold
Silver
Silver
Silver
Gold
Silver
Gold
Gold
Silver
Gold
Gold

The second half of '02 was 4-1 in favor of Gold. This year's first half sort of balances that. In the back half of this year, we are expecting Gold for Superman, Batman, Plastic Man, as well as the JSA. It could be 4-2 Gold, minimum. Then there's the hope that we'll get a 13th or 14th volume, too.

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posted January 21, 2003 01:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Osgood Peabody   Click Here to Email Osgood Peabody        Reply w/Quote
I was hoping they'd eventually settle into a gold-silver alteration like they did in 2001, but that does not appear to be in the cards again this year.

And for Silver fans, it's been a long wait - with due apologies to Enemy Ace - last June (GL 4) was the last release I was really excited about.

Tomorrow can't come soon enough!

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