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Michael Bise Member |
posted April 09, 2003 01:15 PM
  
This Volume, as well as the previous two, is exactly what I've been waiting for from this series. Those great Grell costumes... Small Letdown: I forgot just how much I disliked Bob Wiacek's inking over Grell's pencils. HUGE Letdown: KK #1 is included. Except for the Grell cover, a complete waste of valuable space that should be totally devoted to the LEGION. I cerainly hope future volumes of LEGION Archives will not be littered with this KK peripheral stuff. ------------------ Michael IP: Logged |
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Michael Bise Member |
posted April 09, 2003 01:49 PM
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mcmaenza Member |
posted April 09, 2003 06:41 PM
Given that they have a text piece covering Karate Kid's series and show most of the covers (albeit tiny), I would venture to guess that we won't see any more KK issues in the LSH archives. I loved that spin off series as much as others, but I want to see the LSH in the LSH' Archives. ------------------ 5 Earths Project - Earth-1 IP: Logged |
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Corrosive Kid Member |
posted April 09, 2003 07:41 PM
Anyone want to summarize the text piece for those of us who already have the original issues? Who wrote it, anyway? IP: Logged |
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outpost2 Member |
posted April 09, 2003 09:22 PM
Just skimmed through the Karate Kid text piece and immediately found an error. The writer states that Iris Jacobs was last seen in KAMANDI # 58, and no cure for her "Diamondeth" condition was ever shown. Not so. In SUPERBOY & LSH # 246, Karate Kid presented a cured Iris to the Legionnaires, then promptly brought her back home. Iris Jacobs was last seen in BRAVE & BOLD # 198. IP: Logged |
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outpost2 Member |
posted April 09, 2003 09:46 PM
Hey, check this out! It looks like they actually do listen to us! A while back on http://dcboards.warnerbros.com/files/Forum21/HTML/001234-2.html (July 23, 2002 04:19 PM), I suggested that they use a number of reprint covers for filler. It's nice to see that all our debating and discussions count for something. Of course, it's equally possible that it's merely a coincidence.  It also looks like they came to a decision regarding the KARATE KID issues (namely, to include only issue #1). Although I had initially felt that all the issues of this spin-off series should be included, I have since been convinced by my fellow posters' arguments that excluding the rest would be for the best. Looks like you who argued for exclusion swayed them as well.
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outpost2 Member |
posted April 09, 2003 09:52 PM
quote: It's a three-page piece which gives a little background on how the series came about and how it changed and ultimately failed when the kung fu craze died down. It reprints eight tiny B&W covers. The writer of the article is not listed. IP: Logged |
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RIC Member |
posted April 10, 2003 08:25 AM
I thought the book looked great! I was pleased to see the KK text piece, since that answers our question about whether the balance of KK's series would show up in the Legion archives. I thought the cover reprints to fill out this volume looked GREAT! Man, could Cardy draw covers in those days! I'm looking forward to reading this volume. As I flipped through it, I realized that, although I read the originals when they came out, that was so long ago that I've largely forgotten the details of these stories. The lone advantage of a fading memory! IP: Logged |
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Corrosive Kid Member |
posted April 10, 2003 07:50 PM
quote: ??? Unless they reprinted covers from the previous archive, all of the Legion covers in this volume were by Mike Grell, as were most of the Karate Kid ones. Nick Cardy didn't do a Legion cover since # 206. IP: Logged |
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Osgood Peabody Member |
posted April 10, 2003 08:46 PM
I suspect he's referring to the covers of the 1973 reprint series mentioned above by outpost2. IP: Logged |
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Corrosive Kid Member |
posted April 11, 2003 02:19 PM
They waited until now to reprint those? Weird. Both Cardy covers were designed by Carmine Infantino, BTW. IP: Logged |
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Owen Cardiff Darcy Member |
posted April 11, 2003 02:30 PM
Bob G., who is still luriking, still reading, visited my Future DC Archives site and sent me the following info re: Karate Kid: "Would you mind noting on one of the Legion Vol. 12 threads that the KK piece was by yours truly? Dale omitted the by-line by mistake. Also, people should note the covers used were the non-Legion crossovers, implying we intend to include the Legion-specific issues in subsequent volumes. So, the answer at long last is: we're cherry-picking KK to include in the Archive run." IP: Logged |
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Owen Cardiff Darcy Member |
posted April 11, 2003 02:32 PM
"luriking"? IP: Logged |
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dylanfan Member |
posted April 11, 2003 02:55 PM
Mmmmm.....I like cherries. Thanks Bob! Legion Archives are like a bowl of cherries ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Osgood Peabody Member |
posted April 11, 2003 05:21 PM
So if I understand correctly, there will be 6 more KK issues appearing in future LSH archives? I'm guessing, since I don't have this volume, that the issues to be included will be 4, 6, 10-13? But KK 4 was published in 1976 (and presumably would have been in vol. 12) so that puts a damper on that theory. IP: Logged |
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Marty Raap Member |
posted April 11, 2003 06:12 PM
That's disappointing -- I was still hoping for full inclusion of KK. I guess at least including the issues with greater appearances by the rest of the Legion is better than nothing. IP: Logged |
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outpost2 Member |
posted April 11, 2003 06:34 PM
quote: The covers depicted are KK #3-8,11,14. This leaves #2,9-10,12-13,15 and Kamandi #58. Issue #2 is an odd choice: he battles Major Disaster and is befriended by Iris Jacobs. Maybe they meant #4, in which KK has an adventure in the 30th century. Issues #9-10 feature Princess Projectra. In issues #12-13, KK is thrown back to an earlier era where he meets Superboy and some younger Legionnaires. Issues #15 and Kamandi #58 showed KK's return to the 30th century. KK #1 was originally published between SB #214 and #215 (it was placed after #215 in Volume 12). Continuity-wise, KK #1 takes place between SB #224 and #225, but had to be placed in Volume 12 so as to not break up the three-parter in SB #224,226-227. If they were going for continuity order rather than publication order, then KK #1 should have been the last tale in this volume. KK #4 should be placed after SB #227, KK #9-10 after SB #230, and KK #12-13 after SB #235. Since Karate Kid appears at the wedding of Garth and Imra, KK #15/Kamandi #58 could be placed between SB #236 and ANCE #C-55. If it is assumed that he made a special trip back for the wedding, then those issues could alternately be placed between SB #240 and #241 (since it is shown that he has returned for good during Earthwar). IP: Logged |
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Corrosive Kid Member |
posted April 11, 2003 07:42 PM
I was always under the impression that KK used to return to the future (and the Legion) periodically while he was still on his "quest" in the past. After all, they call him back to the future (no puns, please) later on in the series. Therefore, the issues happened when they happened, and don't need to be shoehorned anywhere else. When did people start believing otherwise? And did anyone in an official capacity ever say this, or is this just retroactive speculation on the part of fans? IP: Logged |
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outpost2 Member |
posted April 11, 2003 10:56 PM
There are certain clues which point to where in Legion continuity certain Karate Kid tales fit. Take KARATE KID #1 for example... (1) The letters page of SUPERBOY #217 states that the KARATE KID series takes place in the Legion's future. (2) The last appearance in the Legion's magazine of Karate Kid as a full-time member is SUPERBOY #224. (3) It is stated in KARATE KID #1 that Mon-El is the current Legion leader. (4) Mon-El was replaced by Wildfire as leader in SUPERBOY #225. Conclusion: KARATE KID #1 must take place between SUPEBOY #224 and #225. IP: Logged |
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outpost2 Member |
posted April 11, 2003 11:42 PM
As far as the placement of the other tales, it has more to do with not breaking up multi-part stories than anything else. Let's say you want to keep the following stories grouped together when you reprint them so that they flow properly: SB #224,226-227 KK #5-7 Now you take into account the following: SB&LSH #231 clearly follows immediately after KK #10. In SB&LSH #245, Karate Kid mentions that the events of KARATE KID #12-13 take place “a few weeks back”. In SB&LSH #246, Karate Kid presents a cured Iris Jacobs to the Legionnaires. Karate Kid then returns Iris to the 20th century. Therefore: If you assume that KK #1 takes place between SB #224 and #225 (see last post), then the first possible place you can insert KK #4 without breaking up a multi-part story is after SB #227. Since SB&LSH #231 follows immediately after KK #10, then KK #9-10 should be placed between SB #230 and SB&LSH #231. The publication of the SB&LSH #234-235 two-parter and KK #12-13 two-parter overlap. Since you don't want to break up the two tales, KK #12-13 slips in after SB&LSH #235. Kamandi #58 was published between SB&LSH #242 and #243, but since Karate Kid appears during the Earthwar saga, and since you don't want to break up the Earthwar issues, then KK #15 and Kamandi #58 should be placed some time before SB&LSH #241. IP: Logged |
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Corrosive Kid Member |
posted April 12, 2003 01:27 AM
quote: Does it say that in the issue or is that an assumption which is being made? I always assumed that he had just returned for a mission. Remember, early on in the KK series his reason for staying in the past was just to "find himself." Later on it was retconned into winning the approval of Princess Projectra's father. He could have just as easily been returning to the future like he did in KK # 4. In fact, I always thought the understanding between the two titles was that the Legion people could use him whenever they wanted. He certainly wasn't locked into his solo title. IP: Logged |
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Owen Cardiff Darcy Member |
posted April 12, 2003 01:32 AM
I've updated my Legion map: http://futurearchives.tripod.com/lsh.html IP: Logged |
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outpost2 Member |
posted April 12, 2003 11:07 AM
quote: Oooo, I like. I suspect that Volume 18 will mean the death of the line though. I noticed you left out KK #15 and Kamandi #58. Probably a good idea, since it would take up a sixth of a volume but has little to do with the Legion. Maybe another text piece at the appropriate time, like the one in Volume 12, describing the temporary diversion into Kamandi's timeline. They could throw in B&W reproductions of the two covers plus a few panels to show him and Iris leaving for the 30th century. Keep up the good work, Owen! IP: Logged |
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Stemp Member |
posted April 12, 2003 02:30 PM
I like the KK addition. I've got no. 1 boxed away somewhere. The only bad thing is I've got to wait until my b-day for my wife to give it to me. (LSH archive #12 that is )IP: Logged |
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dcexplosion78 Member |
posted April 14, 2003 09:32 PM
quote:[/B][/QUOTE] That's great news! Archives should be more like DVDs chock full of extras. Next, they should include original house ads! IP: Logged |
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