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BlueTracer Member |
posted April 20, 2003 04:03 PM
  
As the title said, list those archives that will be complete in one or two volumes. Silver Age and Golden Age, DC, Quality, Fawcett and Charlton and discuss their chances of archivability based on character/creator/art and quantity merits. For instance: Golden Age - the Atom. Atom is a done in two and all these factors indicate that he deserves at least a first volume, which will no doubt be seen eventually but not before a whole bunch of higher priority characters including most of his JSA team-mates and even a few non JSA golden age DC characters. His status as a JSA founder and the fact that artists such as Alex Toth worked on his later stories might well ensure that eventually the 2nd GA Atom volume will be out and the GA Atom Archives will be complete. Like the Tortoise, its my belief that the archiving of AL PRATT will be slow but sure, even if we have to wait until 2015 for his number one and 2030 for its completion. IP: Logged |
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Lightning + Chemicals Member |
posted April 20, 2003 05:12 PM
My enjoyment of Thunder Agents Archives V1 whetted my appetite for other non-DC sixties work -- which led me to Charlton and their great stable of talent which eventually became DC's new generation of talent by 1970. I've seen it suggested that Steve Ditko's Blue Beetle/Question work would fit in a done-in-one. And Ditko's Captain Atom would be done-in-two. I would love to see these volumes. A further question: Since these Charlton heroes are now in the post-Crisis DC Universe, these probably will qualify as DC Archives, in the same way that Plastic Man and Blackhawk were retro-ed into the DC Universe by the acquisition of Quality comics. Does this mean that the Thunder Agents are now in the DC Universe because of their impending DC relaunch? Are the Thunder Agents now DC archives???
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Unknown Question Member |
posted April 20, 2003 05:18 PM
It would be interesting to see charactors/areas/maps for the done in 1 & 2s, just to see how much potenial material there is out there that could be done and completed. IP: Logged |
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James Friel Member |
posted April 20, 2003 05:18 PM
Captain Atom by Steve Ditko is done in two. I think it will happen, and in the next five years, if not sooner. Blue Beetle/Question combined is done in one. Same as above, but first. Bat Lash is done in one. Aragones, O'Neil, Cardy, Spiegle. I think it will be DC's first western arcive, within two or three years. Viking Prince and Silent Knight are both done in one. I'd prefer a Brave & Bold anthology collection (done in three), but I have to say that at least Viking Prince, with some of Joe Kubert's best work, has a better chance as a solo act. Not at the top of DC's list, but on it somewhere. Danger Trail is done in one. Alex Toth--wonderful stuff, but less than likely, at lesat in the near future. The Demon by Kirby is done in two. It'll happen, but I can't guess when. Anywhere from next year to 2010. If I remember right, Silver Age Spectre (from Showcase through Adventure Comics) is done in two. A sure thing, probably within 3-4 years. The next volumes of both Enemy Ace and Golden Age Starman will finish them off. They'll both, I think, happen within a year or two. Both Doctor Fate and Hourman could be done-in-two Gold-Silver hybrids like Black Canary (actually, Gold/Bronze in Fate's case). I think Fate will happen sooner (next 3 years), but Hourman will eventually be done as well (especially if they reserve the Showcase Fate/Hourman teamups for the Hourman archives vol.2). Peacemaker would be done in one, but I don't think it's likely. I'd buy it, though. Omac would be one very skinny volume, and I couldn't care less. The Creeper (all the Ditko) would be one very fat or two very skiny volumes. Likely at some point, though not immediately. The first run of Hawk & Dove would be done in one. Maybe, but after Creeper. IP: Logged |
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DaBubba Member |
posted April 20, 2003 05:27 PM
I think someone mapped Scribbly and the Red Tornado as a big done-in-one, though I'd rather have all the Scrib from Day One. I think that would make 4-5 archives, at least. The Ray is also done-in-one and Black Condor is either one or two, IIRC. S&K Manhunter is done-in-one, but if they start with the non-super-hero version, there's more than one volume. And, of course, Red Bee is done-in-one. IP: Logged |
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quincyjb Member |
posted April 20, 2003 06:13 PM
quote: Good rundown. I would buy Omac based on curiosity. I've never seen any issues of it. I think you are correct on SA Spectre. Three Showcase appearances, plus 10 issues of his own. The Adventure run would probably make the second volume fat, but it would be worth including. Other titles: Atomic Knights -- Done in one, sci-fi, expected to follow the first sci-fi volume, which is expected to be Adam Strange. Bronze Age Sandman by Kirby -- Done in one. Angel and the Ape -- Done in one, I think. Inferior Five -- Done in two, IIRC. IP: Logged |
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dylanfan Member |
posted April 20, 2003 07:51 PM
I love lists like these! Here's what we have so far- Done In One: Blue Beetle/Question Done In One Fat or Two Skinny: Creeper Done In Two: GA Atom Done In Three- Medieval Brave and the Bold (dammit!!!!) ------------------ IP: Logged |
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quincyjb Member |
posted April 20, 2003 07:59 PM
quote: By the way, I really, really, really want this. I recently re-read some of these stories reprinted in the 100 page Brave and the Bold issues, and I am psyched to see a complete reprinting of these issues. IP: Logged |
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BP25 Member |
posted April 20, 2003 08:47 PM
quote: Strangely enough it appears as though each of the individual features in B& B is a done in one. I also think that if DC does the Viking Prince as a solo volume we may not see the other two at all. Viking Prince strikes me as the money book. As to the list, I believe Anthro is a done in one (one Showcase issue plus a six issue run), as well as Judo master with Mclaughlin art and Thunderbolt with art by PAM (two Charlton characters DC owns but I don't think has done much with). Sarge Steel is another Charlton series but I believe there was 10 issues so is 1 fat or 2 thin. Anyway I imagine the 4 features would be pretty far down the list for DC. IP: Logged |
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Unknown Question Member |
posted April 20, 2003 09:14 PM
Early B&B. Having only seen these in various reprints I would buy any solo Archive but would prefer if they done those as a B&B anthology collection. But should they complete the 2nd vols of things like GA Starman in a reasonable timescale, if it completes that particular Archive title? IP: Logged |
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NecessaryImpurity Member |
posted April 20, 2003 10:08 PM
Done-in-twos ought to be completed with 24 months. The current Starman wait is getting ridiculous. Done-in-threes ought to be finished within 5 years, spaced no more than 2.5 years between volumes. Once the decision is made to produce the first volume, DC should be ready to produce the 2nd and 3rd, unless sales are horrid. Then DC should let us know that the follow-ups are on indefinite hold, pending better sales. A little communication goes a long way, DC! Maybe some fence-sitters would be prompted to buy that first volume, knowing it's the only way to get the second volume. I've read some comments that say, "I don't buy Volume Ones until DC shows some commitment to the line by issuing a Volume Two." These are the people who need to be persuaded by DC that the second volume will happen only after they buy the first. IP: Logged |
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gmp Member |
posted April 20, 2003 11:16 PM
I know I've mentioned this before, but the Russ Heath SEA DEVILS would make a great done in 2 series, folowing in the footsteps of the reduced size Kirby Challenger Archives. For those of you who've never seen the books, the art is on par with Infantino, Kubert, Ditko and other silver age greats. IP: Logged |
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dylanfan Member |
posted April 20, 2003 11:39 PM
Updated: Done In One: Blue Beetle/Question Done In One Fat or Two Skinny: Creeper Done In Two: GA Atom Done In Three- Medieval Brave and the Bold (dammit!!!!) Keep 'em comin' in, folks! ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Drumore01 Member |
posted April 21, 2003 03:04 AM
I've recently read a chunk of the Charlton Comics, most of Captain Atom and Blue Beetle (and therefore Nightshade and The Question) and samplings of Judomaster, Peacemaker, and Pete Cannon Thunderbolt. I think Blue Beetle/Question would sell well. As much as I love Captain Atom and Nightshade, I was disappointed to find most of those stories and art subpar. Peacemaker only had about 100 pages of material. He could be combined with Son of Vulcan, but I dont see that or Judomaster having much attraction to readers. I believe DC no longer has the rights to Thunderbolt. But it has been mentioned before that in some cases, DC simply does not have the original film/stats for material they aquired from other publishers. This doesnt meant they can't do reconstruction from existing comics, but it makes it more difficult, time consuming, and costly, meaning it may not be profitable to make. I also wonder if they have access to the original Blue Beetle material, which was not published by Charlton, but by Fox and Holyoke. IP: Logged |
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James Friel Member |
posted April 21, 2003 03:13 AM
It's been asserted in other threads a few times that DC acquired a complete set of good quality stats from Charlton at the time they bought the characters in question. If that's true, the Ditko CA and BB/Question material ought to be relatively cheap volumes. I'd forgotten that there was so little Peacemaker stuff. Pat Boyette is a hard sell anyway, though I eventually acquired a taste for his art. I don't think there'll ever be any demand for Son of Vulcan. The thought makes me positively shudder... IP: Logged |
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James Friel Member |
posted April 21, 2003 04:30 AM
quote: Yes, Viking Prince and Silent Knight are done-in-ones. I agree that Viking Prince is the money property, but I think its appeal could sell three volumes of the B&B anthology. IP: Logged |
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Lee Semmens Member |
posted April 21, 2003 07:08 AM
I think a done-in-one Kirby Sandman would be disastrous from my point of view. I would far rather see ALL the Golden Age Sandman stuff archived - most of the later Sandman stories were illustrated by one of my all time favorite artists - a young Gil Kane. IP: Logged |
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vze2 Member |
posted April 21, 2003 07:52 AM
I guess its time for me to make my case for The Brave and the Bold. 1. Done in 3. 2. Relatively even in terms of story, art, and genre. As opposed to Action or Detective which had extremely strong leads and a bunch of backups which most people would consider far inferior to the lead. 3. A Viking Prince Archive is the kiss of death for Golden Gladiator and Robin Hood. Probably Silent Knight as well. 4. Economics. How many people would buy a Viking Prince Archive? Just for an example, let's say 3,000. How many of these people would refuse to buy The Brave and the Bold Archives? Not many, I'd guess. Just as an example, let's say 500 which I think is extremely high. And let's use the list price as the actual price, just as an example. I really doubt B&B will bleed buyers as much as in my example. Also, you have to factor in the additional cost of creating the extra volumes, which I don't know how to estimate. But I think my point is still valid. $150,000 < $300,000. I think this will still be true when you factor in the cost of production. As far as Sandman is concerned, I think the done-in-one that was mentioned is the Silver Age Sandman that ran for 6, I think, issues, not the Simon and Kirby revamp of the Golden Age version. IP: Logged |
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Lee Semmens Member |
posted April 21, 2003 08:12 AM
quote: I would rather see three Brave & Bold archives featuring these characters than just a Viking Prince archive. IP: Logged |
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Osgood Peabody Member |
posted April 21, 2003 09:05 AM
Captain Comet would be done in one and a half, if you just count his original Strange Adventures run. And if we're counting done-in-threes, the Fox/Infantino run on Adam Strange (Showcase 17-19, MIS 53-91) is an absolute must. IP: Logged |
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Amentep Member |
posted April 21, 2003 09:17 AM
Quality Comics' MISS AMERICA could be done in one...one over-sized regular comic that is, since she only had about 44 pages of stories over her 7 issue run in Military Comics. This means that the odds are against us ever seeing these stories, even without other considerations about the obscurity of the character. I suppose she could be combined with other Golden Age characters with very few appearances, but who they'd be or what the archive could be called, I have no clue. IP: Logged |
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James Friel Member |
posted April 21, 2003 12:04 PM
Much as I want to see B&B done as an anthology, vze2, there's a flaw in your argument. Production and manufacturing costs for three volumes are much greater than they are for one. And when you add the factor that the one would probably sell much better than any of the three (500 copies would constitute "much better" in a context like this, I imagine the temptation to do Viking Prince alone is very strong for DC. Eventual profits for the three volumes of B&B would probably somewhat exceed those for Viking Prince alone, but I can't guess whether they'd ever approach a level that justified the extra expenditure. Your third point: [b]3. A Viking Prince Archive is the kiss of death for Golden Gladiator and Robin Hood. Probably Silent Knight as well.]/b] IP: Logged |
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srca1941 Member |
posted April 21, 2003 12:17 PM
Corrections: Enemy Ace is a done in 3. Black Condor is 2 skinny. Other 1s, 2s, and 3s: Air Wave (3) There are other really skinny done-in-ones out there, but many are Quality, and could go into a "Quality Heroes" Archive series. -Steve ------------------ IP: Logged |
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DavidTai New Member |
posted April 21, 2003 01:14 PM
>Johnny Thunder (3) Which Johnny Thunder? I think the Western one is done in 3, and that's what I'd most like to see, what with Alex Toth and Gil Kane doing the art. The Thunderbolt Johnny isn't one I'd like to see ahead of THAT, in any case. IP: Logged |
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srca1941 Member |
posted April 21, 2003 02:26 PM
This is the JSA's Johnny. I'd rather see him before the western version. (Not that I don't want the western version.) -Steve ------------------ IP: Logged |
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