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James Friel
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posted March 29, 2003 12:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
With you all the way on the logos, prof.
My position has always been that any kind of lettering for signage or advertising or display of any kind should be "heard" as words in the viewer's mind without him or her having any consciousness of reading. If it doesn't work that way, it's badly done (assuming the viewer is literate enough for the written word to penetrate that easily in the first place).

As for the coloring of the SMT covers, I think they missed a bet by not doing them as garish pulp-style covers.

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The Anti-Life Equation
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posted March 29, 2003 01:24 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for The Anti-Life Equation        Reply w/Quote
Damn! Here I was thinking that I'd be lucky if I got a response to this thread and we're already on page two. I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one who has an interest in this title...

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Jack Benny
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posted March 29, 2003 04:07 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for Jack Benny   Click Here to Email Jack Benny        Reply w/Quote
I love the SMT covers.
I miss this title.
There was mention of a mini-series but that never happen.

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NIKKI SIXX
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posted March 29, 2003 03:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NIKKI SIXX   Click Here to Email NIKKI SIXX        Reply w/Quote
That makes me want even more a Golden Age Sandman Archive!!!!

ROCK ON!!
John

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profh0011
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posted March 29, 2003 03:44 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for profh0011   Click Here to Email profh0011        Reply w/Quote
"I think they missed a bet by not doing them as garish pulp-style covers."

I didn't even think about that... They could have done well getting covers from Dave Stevens or JIM STERANKO! (Is James Bama still out there?) Or how about Frank Frazetta, Boris Vallejo, Bob Larkin?

It's possible the covers, far more than the insides, were a reflection of this perculiar mindset that got too full of itself in the 90's-- people trying too hard to be too "clever", trying to "force" fans to think too hard to figure things out. This goes mostly for writing, but sometimes it's crept into art & film as well.

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James Friel
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posted March 29, 2003 08:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by profh0011:
"I think they missed a bet by not doing them as garish pulp-style covers."

I didn't even think about that... They could have done well getting covers from Dave Stevens or JIM STERANKO! (Is James Bama still out there?) Or how about Frank Frazetta, Boris Vallejo, Bob Larkin?

It's possible the covers, far more than the insides, were a reflection of this perculiar mindset that got too full of itself in the 90's-- people trying too hard to be too "clever", trying to "force" fans to think too hard to figure things out. This goes mostly for writing, but sometimes it's crept into art & film as well.


Would you trust Steranko or Stevens with a deadline that affected YOUR monthly comic?

I suspect Frazetta and Vallejo are budget-busters (that's if Frazetta is even available any more). Bama is not doing anything pulp-related--he's a fine artist doing photorealistic paintings of western scenes that sell for large amounts of money in studios in places like Jackson Hole (or at least that wa sthe case 20 years ago.) Don't know about Larkin.
But there are good painters around--Steve Rude for one, Matt Wagner himself for another. They just needed to brighten it up.

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posted March 29, 2003 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for daytripper   Click Here to Email daytripper        Reply w/Quote
I'm another person who started out reading Sandman Mystery Theater, and then stopped reading it after a dozen issues or so. I don't have an excuse why, but all I was doing was depriving myself of some great entertainment. I really like Guy Davis' art, and intend to seek out what I've missed by ordering the Nevermen pb, keep on buying unstable molecules, etc. He is one of today's finest artists, so I've some catching up to do.

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Coleo
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posted March 29, 2003 10:28 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Coleo   Click Here to Email Coleo        Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by James Friel:

As for the coloring of the SMT covers, I think they missed a bet by not doing them as garish pulp-style covers.

At least a few of the covers moved in this direction--I remember the design of the Phantom of the Fair issues being pretty pulpy in its logo, photography and type design.

I don't want to totally bash the covers--most are very well done for what they are; at the time I thought they were an interesting experiment, and as I was having my comics mailed to me at the time, I didn't give much thought to how they'd appear on the shelf next to comics more self-consciously screaming "BUY ME!" In a sense, they do say "buy me", only to people with a different aesthetic. You just have to find shots of gothic architecture dimly perceived behind thick fog to be compelling.

Cole

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James Friel
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posted March 30, 2003 02:45 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
Taken in isolation, they were nice pieces of design, most of them.
But on a rack surrounded by other comics, they tended to fade back into obscurity.

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Lightning + Chemicals
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posted March 30, 2003 02:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lightning + Chemicals        Reply w/Quote
Covers, covers, covers....

You know, the title kind of stunk, too! "Sandman Mystery Theatre" -- I remember scratching my head over that one before issue #1, then I promptly forgot about it after I figured out that I loved the book.

I guess they were trying to evoke the feel of the serialized radio plays of that era -- but I wonder if the title also stopped people who thought the book was about ... actors.

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posted March 30, 2003 03:45 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for the ?        Reply w/Quote
I'm not sure that the title kept anyone away. I would think that anybody interested in Golden Age mystery man stories would have got the reference.

And since they were prevented from just using THE SANDMAN, they had to come up with something.

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GDL
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posted March 31, 2003 07:46 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for GDL        Reply w/Quote
I think that two arcs of covers, the "Phantom Of The Fair", and "Return Of The Scarlet Ghost", had great Golden Age DC/Pulp Cover appeal.
That format would have served well to make the books jump out at the stand...as did most of the DC books of the 30's-40's.
(ie. Detective, Action, Adventure, Flash, etc.)

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James Friel
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posted March 31, 2003 12:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for James Friel   Click Here to Email James Friel        Reply w/Quote
I wonder how those story arcs did relative to others around them.

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