posted February 26, 2003 02:47 AM            

Thanks for any info!!

posted February 26, 2003 09:41 AM               

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Originally posted by paladin:
Back in 30's/40's did DC publish any Ashcans of their comics?

Thanks for any info!!

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posted February 26, 2003 10:20 PM               

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Originally posted by Old Dude:

Personally, I find ashcans too limited to be interesting.

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I've always preferred spitoons, myself.

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posted February 27, 2003 09:19 AM               

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Originally posted by vze2:
An ashcan is a photocopied comic used to secure a copyright. If I recall, you can see one in Shazam! Archives volume 1.

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posted February 27, 2003 02:30 PM            

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Originally posted by vze2:
An ashcan is a photocopied comic used to secure a copyright. If I recall, you can see one in Shazam! Archives volume 1.

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Well technically an ashcan is used to secure a trademark on the title and not a copyright on the material. In fact most ashcan comics use previously copyrighted material wih just a new cover logo. Usually some old cover (or spalsh) art had a new logo pasted above it and the page was printed in black and white and stapled with the interior of some old comic. This was then registered to secure the trademark. An ashcan of Whiz Comics was produced as Flash Comics, but DC just beat Fawcett with their own ashcan for that title. This shows the importance of ashcans. If Fawcett had just gone ahead and produced a complete run of the first issue of Flash Comics, they'd have had to destroy them since DC had secured the trademark.

DC produced many ashcans over the years (some like Superwoman merely to prevent others from using the title). The DC ashcans I'm aware of are:

Federal Men 1936
Action Comics 1937
Action Funnies 1938
Double Action Funnies 1938
Radio Funnies 1939
Flash Comics 1939
All Star Comics 1940
Old Glory Comics 1941
Red White & Blue Comics 1941
World's Best Comics 1941
Superwoman 1942
Leading Comics 1942
Headline Comics 1942
Boy Commandos Comics 1942
Screen Gems 1945
Real Fact Comics 1946
Animal Antics 1946
The Phantom Stranger 1952
Wonderful World of Comics 1956
Rock 'n' Roll Comics 1956

Oh and those days of course they were not photocopied, of course.

posted February 27, 2003 03:02 PM            

You'll have to excuse me while I go drink heavily, to remove the idea "Pat Boone is a rock and roller" from my mind. This may require psychotherapy, in addition to alchohol.

posted February 27, 2003 03:07 PM               

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Originally posted by NecessaryImpurity:
DC did produce a rock and roll comic: Pat Boone. Five issues in '59 and '60.

You'll have to excuse me while I go drink heavily, to remove the idea "Pat Boone is a rock and roller" from my mind. This may require psychotherapy, in addition to alchohol.

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One of the more hideous memories of my TV watching youth is having seen Pat Boone perform Tootie Frutti on the Arthur Godfrey Show. Horrible. Horrible.

posted February 27, 2003 03:18 PM               

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Originally posted by James Friel:
One of the more hideous memories of my TV watching youth is having seen Pat Boone perform Tootie Frutti on the Arthur Godfrey Show. Horrible. Horrible.

"Got a gal. Name is Sue. She knows just what to do..."
Even at whatever tender age I was at the time (10?), the thought that Pat himself probably didn't know what to do was inescapable...

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One of my more horrible memories was of Pat Boone, dressed all in leather, doing some Ozzy song on Leno a few years ago....

posted February 27, 2003 04:19 PM            

Chris

posted February 27, 2003 07:01 PM               

Isn't the Captain Thunder ash-can in the SHAZAM! Archives??

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posted February 28, 2003 12:09 AM               

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Originally posted by James Friel:
One of the more hideous memories of my TV watching youth is having seen Pat Boone perform Tootie Frutti on the Arthur Godfrey Show.

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posted February 28, 2003 12:51 AM               

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Originally posted by Old Dude:
Do you also remember how HUGE a following he had then? I have two older sisters who were teenagers during the Boone Boom. Remember Lois Lane's room in the story where Pat appeared? It was wall-to-wall Pat Boone merchandise. Well, that was how my sisters' room looked.

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posted February 28, 2003 01:33 AM            

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Originally posted by Michael Bise:
Was there an actual Supewoman in [iii]Superwoman[/i] #1?

Isn't the Captain Thunder ash-can in the SHAZAM! Archives??

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No there was almost no new material in any of the ashcans. I have a list someplace, but the only new material I recall was a Creig Flessel cover on Action Comics and a Leo Omealia cover on Action Funies. The later was later used as the cover to Action #3, I think. The Superwoman cover depicted Dr. Fate in his full helmet. Maybe DC decided the completely masked flying man might possibly be taken for a woman. (Or they may simply not have cared.)

posted March 01, 2003 06:24 PM               

The article is by Gary Colabuono who owns many of these Ashcans. Most came from Sol Harrison (who went from his career at DC from 16 year old color separationist to eventual President of DC)!

The paper that these are printed on is velox paper. Multiple copies of ashcans were produced by photographing the mock-ups of the logos and covers and interiors. When printed it produces an extremly clear and sharp black and white image. Because of this 50-60 year old practice the ashcans are virtually impossible to counterfeit. (Info from the article in CBM -- from the article I am still unclear as to if the interiors were also printed on velox paper).