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India Ink
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posted March 10, 2003 12:47 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for India Ink        Reply w/Quote
I think the third volume will be most impressive.

The old school costumed villains in vol. 2 don't impress me (as I've said), although if that's your thing then I guess this volume will deliver.

Highlights from vol. 2 are the 2nd Mystery Analysts story, the first Getaway Genius story ("Genius of the Getaway Gimmicks"), "A Bad Day for Batman" (I like Greene on Moldoff here), "Trail of the Talking Masks" (mainly for the surreal Infantino/Giella art), and "The Living Beast Bomb" (you can't beat a good Infantino ape story).

"Batman's Bewitched Nightmare" isn't an epic tale, but it does figure into Zatanna's search for her father (eventually). And if they do actually reprint the Elongated Man story from 'Tec 339 that will be a really great piece of luck.

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KryptoSuperDog
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posted March 13, 2003 04:11 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for KryptoSuperDog        Reply w/Quote
I have yet to read this Archive, so two questions:

1.) Was there really any value in putting both Batman series in this one volume, when in the past Detective and Batman were archived separately?

2.) How many volumes is DD expected to go? Would it finish out the sixties?

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NecessaryImpurity
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posted March 13, 2003 01:11 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NecessaryImpurity        Reply w/Quote
Yes, it makes sense to include both Batman and 'Tec in one volume. It never made sense to segregate them in the first place. How else are you to account for the Alfred-for-Harriet swap in one title if you didn't have the other?

As for how long the series will run: who knows? Logically, it should end when Dick goes to Hudson U., as the Dynamic Duo will no longer exist. That's late (Nov or Dec) 1969. With that story, a new Archive line should start. But they can always go a little earlier if page counts require it.

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CMCINTYRE3600
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posted March 13, 2003 02:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for CMCINTYRE3600   Click Here to Email CMCINTYRE3600        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NecessaryImpurity:
Yes, it makes sense to include both Batman and 'Tec in one volume. It never made sense to segregate them in the first place. How else are you to account for the Alfred-for-Harriet swap in one title if you didn't have the other?

As for how long the series will run: who knows? Logically, it should end when Dick goes to Hudson U., as the Dynamic Duo will no longer exist. That's late (Nov or Dec) 1969. With that story, a new Archive line should start. But they can always go a little earlier if page counts require it.


I actually prefer the GA Superman/Batman method of archving them by title rather than by character. I like having a seperation between Superman and Action. For one thing it's nice to have two lines that might be at different points chronologically. I like it better than the GA GL/ WW set up. But I haven't read DD, so who knows. That may work better during the Silver Age.
Chris

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NickDanger
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posted March 13, 2003 08:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NickDanger   Click Here to Email NickDanger        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by Osgood Peabody:
My final thoughts as I close out this volume - definitely a worthy addition to the Silver Age Pantheon.

What was most illuminating to me, was that although the Infantino stories, particularly "Castle" and "Elephant's Graveyard" are visually compelling, most of the Moldoff material holds its own.


I just finished the book the other night and was pleasantly surprised by how much I enjoyed it. The Moldoff material while not as exciting, definitely holds it own against the Infantino stuff.

As much as I like the Golden Age material, this has been my favorite Bat-Archive so far. I’m hoping that DC puts another one in the works soon so we can get to that wonderful proposed volume three a little faster!

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India Ink
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posted March 13, 2003 08:23 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for India Ink        Reply w/Quote
So what is the map for the THIRD volume, Mr. Peabody--I have some guesses, but I haven't gone to the work of figuring out how many pages from Batman and Detective will fit in the third volume.

And is "map" the right terminology when referring to a single volume--or should that be "quadrant." If map is the whole thing--all the possible volumes--than one volume would be a quadrant on the map??? Oh, I'll never get the hang of nerd-speak!!!

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India Ink
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posted March 13, 2003 08:49 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for India Ink        Reply w/Quote
A question on another thread about a possible Robin archive reminded me of a "problem" that will arise when and if the DD archives come to their logical end.

The story that has Robin leaving Batman, which appears in Batman 217, continues over into the lead Batman story in Detective. And then there's continuity between that lead story and the Robin back-up, and that back-up continues into the next issue of Detective.

So to follow all the continuity (and I may not be remembering all of it myself), you'd want to have all those stories in one volume. So either all these stories should appear in the last DD archive, or they should appear in the first archive of whatever title the next one is going to be called.

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DStepp
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posted March 13, 2003 09:14 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for DStepp   Click Here to Email DStepp        Reply w/Quote
Osgood, can you please e-mail me privately?

Thanks!

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Osgood Peabody
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posted March 14, 2003 09:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Osgood Peabody        Reply w/Quote
I believe the DD series could potentially go 10 volumes up to Robin's departure, although it's likely they'll jump again to a '70s Batman series before then.

Here's the unabridged volume 3 forecast for India Ink:

Volume 3 Batman 172-175, Detective 340-345 (205 pages of content)

Batman No. 172
June 1965

“Attack of the Invisible Knights” (13 pages) + cover
Broome/Moldoff/Giella
“Robin’s Unassisted Triple Play” (12 pages) [1st Robin solo story since 1952]
Fox/Moldoff/Greene

Detective Comics No. 340
June 1965

“The Outsider Strikes Again” (15 pages) + cover
Fox/Moldoff/Giella

Detective Comics No. 341
July 1965

“The Joker’s Comedy Capers” (16 pages) + cover
Broome/Infantino/Giella

Batman No. 173
August 1965

“Secret Identities For Sale” (13 pages) + cover
Broome/Moldoff/Giella
“Walk, Batman, To Your Doom” (12 pages)
Broome/Moldoff/Greene

Detective Comics No. 342
August 1965

“The Midnight Raid of the Robin Gang” (14 pages) + cover
Broome/Moldoff/Giella

Batman No. 174
September 1965

“The Human Punching Bag” (12 pages) + cover [2nd appearance of Getaway Genius]
Fox/Moldoff/Giella
“The Off-Again On-Again Lightbulbs” (12 pages) [3rd Mystery Analysts story]
Herron/Moldoff/Greene [Herron's final story?]

Detective Comics No. 343
September 1965

“The Secret War of the Phantom General” (24 pages) + cover [2nd team-up with Elongated Man]
Broome/Infantino/Giella

Detective Comics No. 344
October 1965

“The Crime-Boss Who Was Always One Step Ahead of Batman” (14 pages) + cover
Fox/Moldoff/Giella

Batman No. 175
November 1965

“The Decline and Fall of Batman” (24 pages) + cover
Fox/Moldoff/Giella

Detective Comics No. 345
November 1965

“The Blockbuster Invasion of Gotham City” (14 pages) + cover [Origin & 1st appearance of the Blockbuster]
Fox/Infantino/Giella


On the one hand, only 3 Infantino stories, but on the other, less reliance on the costumed villains, with only the Joker appearing out of the traditional rogues. And we'd get another Elongated Man team-up, which IIRC is considerably better than the first one, and the Blockbuster origin.

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NecessaryImpurity
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posted March 14, 2003 09:08 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for NecessaryImpurity        Reply w/Quote
I'd save the Robin story for Robin Archives.

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India Ink
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posted March 14, 2003 09:18 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for India Ink        Reply w/Quote
Even though Blockbuster wasn't my favourite villain his debut in volume 3 will make this a worthwhile archive.

Johnny Witts--an even better villain, although he never got the Infantino treatment--will also make his first appearance in this volume.

Should be an all around good collection of stories.

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Osgood Peabody
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posted March 14, 2003 10:01 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Osgood Peabody        Reply w/Quote
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Originally posted by NecessaryImpurity:
I'd save the Robin story for Robin Archives.

Tough call on this one. During the '60s Robin didn't have a regular gig. He appeared sporadically in solo stories in the back of Batman. So far, the convention has held that back-up tales in a character's own comic are fair game (witness the Kid Flash tales being in the Flash archives). And chances are DD will get there long before Robin plows through the Star-Spangled material.

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India Ink
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posted March 14, 2003 10:10 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for India Ink        Reply w/Quote
If DD gets up to vol. 3 first then I think the Robin back-up will appear in that.

If a potential Robin archive collects all the Star-Spangled material before DD v. 3 comes out, then it's possible that they could continue on to reprint the Robin back-ups.

But I agree with Osgood that the chances are better for DD reprinting these stories.

It's also possible that both archives would reprint some of the same material. And it's more likely that the later sixties and seventies Robin solo stories would all get collected in their own archive series.

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