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posted January 10, 2003 06:08 PM
 
In lieu of his archive that we really want, (for whatever reason), how about a "Superboy in the Fifties/Sixties" set of TPB's? If the problem with the archive is missing issues, this would nicely satisfy some of our Superboy cravings with a "best of" selection instead! ------------------ Posting by interdimensional relay from my home on Earth-1. IP: Logged |
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posted January 10, 2003 06:11 PM
quote: Eh, I accidentally wiped out a chunk of my post just as I hit the button. Let's try again. Heck, I may even correct my grammar too! In lieu of the archive that we really want but aren't going to get, apparently, I have another idea. Since that book has been taken "off-the-table" (for whatever reason), how about a "Superboy in the Fifties/Sixties" set of TPB's? If the problem with the archive is missing issues, this would nicely satisfy some of our Superboy cravings with a "best of" selection instead! ------------------ Posting by interdimensional relay from my home on Earth-1. IP: Logged |
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James Friel Member |
posted January 10, 2003 06:25 PM
Hey, why not a Silver Age Superboy Archive series? IP: Logged |
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NecessaryImpurity Member |
posted January 10, 2003 07:19 PM
quote: Sounds good to me. There's a lot of material to cover from 1945 to c1958. Superboy could easily sustain two separate lines. Maybe "Superboy: The Early Adventures Archives" for the '45 to '58 era, and "Superboy: The Boy of Steel Archives" for the '58 to ?? period. Where to end, though? When Ma and Pa de-age? When the Legion takes over Superboy? Crisis? Hard to say. Anyway, the burning question for a Silver Superboy is whether to include those Superbaby stories! IP: Logged |
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Owen Cardiff Darcy Member |
posted January 10, 2003 08:30 PM
I'd begin with the first Superboy comic edited by Mort Weisinger, which happens to be Adventure #247. SUPERBOY: THE BOY OF STEEL ARCHIVES VOL. 1 (205/224 pages) Adventure Comics #247 Adventure Comics #248 Superboy #65 (24 pages + cover) Adventure Comics #249 Superboy #66 (25 pages + cover) Adventure Comics #250 Adventure Comics #251 Superboy #67 (24 pages + cover) Adventure Comics #252 Superboy #68 Adventure Comics #253 Adventure Comics #254 IP: Logged |
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NecessaryImpurity Member |
posted January 10, 2003 09:40 PM
What about starting with Adventure #210, Mar '55, which is the first Krypto story. That's about 3 or 4 volumes in front of #247. Too far before the Weisinger-verse debuts? IP: Logged |
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Owen Cardiff Darcy Member |
posted January 10, 2003 11:28 PM
quote: I don't know. What's the next big event after the introduction of Krypto? IP: Logged |
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Old Dude Member |
posted January 11, 2003 01:15 AM
quote: Wow! The first Adventure Comic I ever bought was #247. I had no idea I was right there at the beginning. Well, I knew I was around there somewhere. All the signature Weisinger additions to the Superman legend, like The Legion, Fortress of Solitude Bizarro, Brainiac, Kandor, etc. were popping up just as I was starting to collect comics. I'd love an archive from that era, since all my original comics have either vanished or are in near-lint condition. IP: Logged |
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NecessaryImpurity Member |
posted January 11, 2003 03:19 AM
Notable pre-Weisinger stories: Adventure Comics #210, Mar '55: First appearance of Krypto. Also first Comics Code Authority issue. Adventure Comics #216, Sep '55: Jimmy Olsen appearance (first chronological appearance?) Adventure Comics #219, Dec '55: A super, giant gorilla story Superboy #47, Mar '56: "Superboy Meets Superman" Adventure Comics #225, Jun '56: First appearance of Chief Parker Superboy #49, Jun '56: Superboy meets a Kryptonian robot (named "Metallo", not to be confused with later villain of same name). Hmmm, the parade of Kryptonian survivors is starting grow. Superboy #53, Dec '56: More survivors from Krypton. This time it's "The Super Zoo From Krypton" Adventure Comics #232, Jan '57: Now there are houses surviving the destruction of Krypton in "The House Where Superboy Was Born". Yes, Kal-El's old home falls to Earth. Next thing you know, whole cities will survive the destruction of Krypton. Superboy #55, Mar '57: Jimmy Olsen is thrown back in time and meets Superboy Superboy #58, Jul '57: Superboy battles Kryptonian criminals. Adventure Comics #239, Aug '57: A meteor gives Krypto the power of speech (Red-K prototype?). Krypto sings "Hound Dog" in this story. I have got to see this!! Adventure Comics #240, Sep '57: Another robot from Krypton Adventure Comics #242, Nov '57: More refuges from Krypton. They're coming out of the wood work! Adventure Comics #243, Dec '57: "The Super Toys of Krypton". Krypton-themed stuff is now happening every month! Superboy #63, Mar '58: Clark meets Perry White Adventure Comics #247, Apr '58: Mort takes over as editor of record and the Legion is born
The artists seem to be exclusively Curt Swan or John Sikela until late in 1957, when we start to get some Al Plastino and Craig Flessel (Flessel inks a lot of Swans stuff from '55 forward, but he apparently gets to do some pencils in late 1957 and early 1958) All data from http://darkmark6.tripod.com/superboyind1.htm and http://darkmark6.tripod.com/superboyind2.htm
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Owen Cardiff Darcy Member |
posted January 11, 2003 03:43 PM
Here's what the first 7 volumes would look like if we begin with Adventure #210. Weisinger's tenure doesn't begin until Vol. 6, and as you can see, that's when stuff really starts to happen.
Adventure Comics #210 Superboy #39 (24 pages + cover) Adventure Comics #211 Superboy #40 (24 pages + cover) Adventure Comics #212 Adventure Comics #213 Superboy #41 (24 pages + cover) Adventure Comics #214 Superboy #42 (24 pages + cover) Adventure Comics #216 Superboy #43 (24 pages + cover)
Superboy #44 (24 pages + cover) Adventure Comics #217 Adventure Comics #218 Adventure Comics #219 Superboy #45 (24 pages + cover) Adventure Comics #220 Superboy #46 (24 pages + cover) Adventure Comics #221 Adventure Comics #222 Adventure Comics #223 Superboy #48 (24 pages + cover)
Adventure Comics #224 Adventure Comics #225 Superboy #49 (24 pages + cover) Adventure Comics #226 Adventure Comics #227 Adventure Comics #228 Superboy #51 (22 pages + cover) Adventure Comics #229 Superboy #52 (24 pages + cover) Adventure Comics #230
Adventure Comics #231 Superboy #54 (24 pages + cover) Adventure Comics #232 Adventure Comics #233 Superboy #55 (24 pages + cover) Adventure Comics #234 Superboy #56 (24 pages + cover) Adventure Comics #235 Adventure Comics #236 Superboy #57 (24 pagges + cover) Adventure Comics #237 Superboy #58 (24 pages + cover)
Adventure Comics #238 Adventure Comics #239 Superboy #59 (24 pages + cover) Adventure Comics #240 Superboy #60 (24 pages + cover) Adventure Comics #241 Adventure Comics #242 Superboy #61 (24 pages + cover) Adventure Comics #243 Superboy #62 (24 pages + cover) Adventure Comics #244 Adventure Comics #245
Superboy #63 (24 pages + cover) Adventure Comics #246 Superboy #64 (24 pages + cover) Adventure Comics #247 Adventure Comics #248 Superboy #65 (24 pages + cover) Adventure Comics #249 Superboy #66 (25 pages + cover) Adventure Comics #250 Adventure Comics #251 Superboy #67 (24 pages + cover) Adventure Comics #252
Superboy #68 Adventure Comics #253 Adventure Comics #254 Superboy #69 (26 pages + cover) Adventure Comics #255 Superboy #70 (25 pages + cover) Adventure Comics #256 Adventure Comics #257 Superboy #71 (26 pages + cover) Adventure Comics #258 Superboy #72 (26 pages + cover) IP: Logged |
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Old Dude Member |
posted January 11, 2003 05:24 PM
Oh wow! Just perusing the titles of these stories makes me want to get out my old beat-up, coverless copies of Superboy and Adventure that I've had for over 40 years and read them all again. We're into Vol. 6 before I came along, but at that early age I wasn't able to get every issue as it came out, so there is still a lot of prime stuff there I haven't seen. Not to mention almost everything in the first 5 volumes that I've never seen! So I say again, WOW! IP: Logged |
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Steven Utley Member |
posted January 11, 2003 07:31 PM
I have been distracted lately by family matters, and clearly I've missed an important announcement. We aren't getting The Superboy Archives? Ever? IP: Logged |
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OldGuy Member |
posted January 11, 2003 08:07 PM
quote: Mort Wesinger may not have been *listed* as the editor of Superboy or Adventure, but he was even in the early 50s. Whitnery Elsworth was listed as the editor of all DC comics in the late 40s and early 50s, but once the Superman TV show started filming, he had little to do with the comics. He spent most of his time on the West Coast. IP: Logged |
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BearPaws Member |
posted January 11, 2003 08:42 PM
quote: Per Bob Greenberger (in the eponymous thread): Superboy Archives is currently off the schedule and will return as soon as possible. Let's table future discussion/debate/speculation on this, okay? Sigh. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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Osgood Peabody Member |
posted January 11, 2003 10:01 PM
If they do a Weisinger Superboy series, I'd go with Owen's original mapping from Adventure 247 in 1958. This would also coincide nicely with the Weisinger Superman series some of us have been pining for. IP: Logged |
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Owen Cardiff Darcy Member |
posted January 12, 2003 02:34 AM
quote: Are you sure? I thought it was Weisinger who was a consultant to the TV show, and who returned to editing the comics after the show was cancelled. The reason so many new characters and ideas were introduced beginning in the late '50 was to keep readers interested in the Superman Family books now that there was no longer a TV show to promote them. IP: Logged |
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James Friel Member |
posted January 12, 2003 03:15 AM
Old Guy's account matches what I'd always heard, Owen. I don't think Ellsworth had much connection with actual editing after the early '50s. Weisinger's sudden burst of creativity could still very well have resulted for a need to make the Superman line of comics more attractive to kids after the TV show was gone (though thanks to syndication, I don't think it's [i[ever[/i] gone off the air.) Or it might just have been that having been officially named editor, he felt more secure in making changes which he might have hesitated to make while operating in a caretaker position. For that matter, he might have waited until he was certain to get the credit before being too innovative. IP: Logged |
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Owen Cardiff Darcy Member |
posted January 12, 2003 03:34 AM
quote: Yeah, I read some version of the story somewhere, but I don't remember the exact details. I may have gotten Weisinger and Ellsworth confused. At any rate, it was when Weisinger "officially" became edtior in 1958 that things started to get really interesting. So I'm still partial to my original idea of beginning the Silver Age Superboy Archives with the first story credited to Weisinger in Adventure #247. (Assuming we ever see a Silver Age Superboy Archives, or a Superboy Archives of any kind.) IP: Logged |
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Lee Semmens Member |
posted January 12, 2003 05:40 AM
What I have read somewhere is that Whitney Ellsworth was really editor-in-chief up until 1958 (although possibly more hands-on in the early 1940s in particular), and that Mort Weisinger was actually co-editor of the Superman titles with others, such as Jack Schiff and Murray Boltinoff from the early 1940s on, with Weisinger taking over sole editorship duties about 1945 or so. Possibly, though, Ellsworth may have had the final say on which direction the Superman titles were heading in. IP: Logged |
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Norman Ore New Member |
posted January 12, 2003 12:23 PM
There is always a lot of speculation where Archive Editions should commence. When does the Golden Age become the Silver Age??? I believe the problem stems from trying to start the Archives from number 1 , hence you end up with "BATMAN ARCHIVES" and "DARK KNIGHT ARCHIVES" and "DYNAMIC DUO ARCHIVES" and "SUPERMAN" and "SUPERMAN IN ACTION" and did someone suggest "THE MAN OF STEEL ARCHIVES"????? I think the answer is a lot simpler. You should do them by year, so you could have "THE SUPERBOY ARCHIVES- 1955" and reprint all the Superboy stories from both Adventure and Superboy, depending on page count you might need "....1955 volume 1" and so on, but doing it this way we can get to the really interesting Superman , Batman and Superboy stories from the mid 50's to the mid 60's without waiding through years of less interesting Golden Age stuff and hopefully seeing them while we are still alive!!!!! As you see my main interest is this period 55 to 65. I would like to see: Charlton Blue Beetle (Steve Ditko) Also why can't DC tell us more about what is planned??? Do they listen to what we want?? Thanks for listening. ------------------ IP: Logged |
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vze2 Member |
posted January 12, 2003 01:42 PM
quote: I love this idea, but its really too late to change the program.
quote: Yes, they listen. Bob Greenberger, who is in charge of collected editions, regularly monitors this board and has asked for our opinion at least twice (see the threads on Legion v. 12 and The Brave and the Bold). As I understand it, DC does tell us everything that is planned. Apparently, they think no more than 1 year in advance. However, the list for the upcoming year is never set in stone and has fluctuated in the past. DC usually announces Archives only when they are firmly on the schedule. Personally, I'd rather have them do this than announce an Archive and then not publish it. As far as your want list is concerned, Welcome to the board! IP: Logged |
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India Ink Member |
posted January 12, 2003 03:31 PM
Since I haven't invested a few hours in reading the Bob Greenberger thread (it's 21 pages!) I was unaware that Superboy had been shelved. When did George Papp start on Superboy? For me Papp defines a certain era of Superboy and I would like an archive to begin with his first work on that series--if we can't have a complete reprinting of Superboy. But if there are missing issues, doesn't that make it all the more important for those early stories to be archived? I realize the first objective is profit, but a side benefit of archiving is to get usable prints that can be used again and again world without end. Which is also profit, in the long term, besides being of historical significance. IP: Logged |
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James Friel Member |
posted January 12, 2003 04:49 PM
You're the first person I've ever seen express a preference for George Papp's Superboy over Curt Swan's, India. I liked Papp's Boy of Steel well enough, but I was always a sucker for the way Swan drew Lana Lang.... IP: Logged |
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India Ink Member |
posted January 12, 2003 05:05 PM
I admire Curt Swan greatly, but I don't remember him drawing Superboy all that often, except for the covers or his later work in the eighties. If Swan had had the kind of record of service on Superboy that he had on Jimmy Olsen, Superman, or the Legion then I might have enough stored up fond memories of his work that I wouldn't even remember Papp. Actually, I didn't remember Papp until a few months ago when I happened to buy a good copy of a Superboy ish from the sixties. I remembered when I bought this comic new back then, and my original copy was now worn and missing pages, so I bought this one with its fine Swan cover. Opening it up I saw that familiar Superboy art and I thought to myself for a moment--Who was that guy who drew Superboy, I always liked his stories?--and then it came to me: Papp. And flipping through some of us his stuff, I actually realized that there was a lot more skill in his work than I had ever thought about before. Given that he inked his own pencils, there's a lot in his technique that I quite admire. A kind of evolved Caniff style. In the sixties, I think I actually liked Superboy even better than Superman (despite the fact that all Superboy stories were exactly the same from month to month). Superboy and Batman were on about the same footing with me. And I now see that George Papp was an important part of all that. IP: Logged |
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Owen Cardiff Darcy Member |
posted January 12, 2003 06:45 PM
quote: According to this index, Papp's first story was "The Super-Weakling from Space" from Superboy #65 (June, 1958), which is included in my original map of Superboy: The Boy of Steel Vol. 1, which begins with Adventure #247. Other Papp stories in Vol. 1: "Clark Kent, Class Cheat" and "The World through Superboy's Eyes" from Superboy #66 "Superboy's Last Day" from Adventure #251 "The Execution of Krypto" and "The Man Who Destroyed Krypton" from Superboy #67 "The Amazing Bizarro" from Superboy #68 "I Was a Teen-Age Superboy" from Adventure #254 If you look through the index you'll also find that Curt Swan did his share of Superboy stories throughout the '50s and '60s. In Vol. 1 he draws "The Stolen Superboy Cape" from Adventure #249. IP: Logged |
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